I'm no fan of Donald Trump, but..

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I'm no fan of Trump but imagine if Biden or Harris had won the 2024 election:

Maduro would still be destroying Venezuela

The Ayatollah would still be killing his own people in Iran

Iran would still have nuclear weapons

There would probably still be Israeli hostages in Gaza

India and Pakistan could be at war

As could Armenia and Azerbaijan; Rwanda and DRC; Egypt and Ethiopia; and Cambodia and Thailand

Russia would be in a much stronger position in Ukraine

Other NATO countries would be spending less on defence.

He's not very good domestically but that's an incredible record on foreign affairs. Let's face it: The world would be on fire if Biden or Harris had won. Trump is seen as a strong man around the world and, outside of the west, that's probably respected.

Iran has been 'weeks away from nuclear weapons' for 30 years. It's the 'weapons of mass destruction' lie all over again.

That’s very generous of you to allow a ‘moment of happiness’.

Can you say more on Iranians being held to the same outcomes as Afghanistan and Iraq? They are not the same people.

But, but, but... He said in June that American airstrikes had 'obliterated' Iran's nuclear programme. Hmmm. It's almost like they're not particularly coherent or truthful in DC.

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/02/24/politics/nuclear-program-iran-trump-strike

I think we are actually in agreement. Lol. I thought you were not left leaning and saying that lefties disagree with DJT.

If they weren't targeted they were, by definition, collateral damage.

Do you have a dictionary?

I do. I also have a conscience.

What I mean by my comment is that children should not be collateral damage.

OK that's a fair explanation. It's just to me (without much interest in airplanes in general ) that one jet aircraft sounds pretty much like the next one. Unless of course they are flying at a lower level, in which case they are obviously louder.

He’s throwing marches at a tinderbox.

According to who?

Iran's nukes have been on the same timescale as a tram network in Leeds. It's always "soon".

Agree

In an ideal world there shouldn't be any collateral damage but in reality in a war there always is.

Around 600,000 German civilians died in total from Allied bombing raids in WW2. Of which researcher Jorg Friedrich estimated that at least 76,000 German children died.

No it hasn't.

But the question is asked was predicated with an IF.

Would you be happy if such a state did manage to achieve nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles to deliver them. What would be an acceptable sacrifice to stop that happening? 1 child? 10? Or is there no situation bad enough?

Personally I wouldn't trust them to build one, transport it to somewhere like London in a van and tell some weak-minded idealogue suicide bomber they get more than the usual number of virgins for blowing up the evil city.

Really rude of you. OP is entitled to her opinion. Let’s hear yours…

Are you going to give your opinion or are you too busy wallowing in despair?

@Branleuse has already given her opinion, you quoted it in your post.

And many of us share that opinion.

Right, so without any actual knowledge, you're sneering at upset posters on another thread.

If you're concerned about the plight of people or, specifically women, in Iran, which I assume you are considering your comments on Islamo-leftists being against Trump, why are you not sympathetic to the plight of people caught up in the midst of this with no warning?

Why? I get the emotional response, and support the principal, but is there no situation where the death of a child is a necessary evil?

How many children would die if Iran had a nuclear bomb? Or do you think they share your morals about hurting innocents?

FWIW, I don’t think any country, least of all one with an impulsive toddler in charge, should have nuclear weapons.
As for regime change - good luck with that. Such short memories, and a reluctance to learn from history, that meddling in other countries’ affairs rarely ends well, not least for the inhabitants of those countries. Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, anyone?

That was 80 years ago.

In 2026 we have to develop a way to hit a target accurately, and precisely, that doesn’t endanger innocent life.

There is no amount of dead children that is justified by taking out one bad guy.

Do you also read the Daily Hate by any chance?

It is. Fortunately most are able to write a bit more. We could all just say the same in both directions to fill threads otherwise.

Are we suggesting there is no way of preventing them from developing those weapons, that doesn’t involve bombing schools etc?

lol

This might give you some food for thought