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Another person murdered by ICE

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Mericanilondon · 24/01/2026 19:08

I’m in tears and shock at the brutality happening in broad daylight in the US. I’m a US citizen, emigrated to the UK for family reasons 12 years ago (now dual citizen), and I am just in disbelief at what’s happening. I was sick when I learned of Trump’s first election and gravely disappointed by the second one. But the sheer brutality of what’s happening in MN right now has really thrown me. I have friends and family there, in Chicago (where ICE raids were occurring in the autumn), in NY, and in California. I’m hearing that even worse things are happening in the Deep South but fewer observers and press to report on it. Posting here because I feel so lost.

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simpsonthecat · 25/01/2026 11:07

A few more facts about the subject in hand. Another person murdered by ICE

Alex Pretti was surrounded by seven ICE officers.

One appeared to strike him repeatedly with some sort of canister. Presumably a teargas canister.

Even the NRA have come out with criticism.

malinta · 25/01/2026 11:08

Goldenbear · 25/01/2026 11:05

I don't know what it is, maybe the parroting of the Maga view of the world, regurgitation of the BS about the hellish lives of UK residents, gangs runming amock, everytime we step out of our front doors we are attacked and we can't speak out about it as it is not just free speech but all speech is now illegal in the UK. Oh, that and your incorrigible lies!

Point out one lie that I have written.

SomersetBrie · 25/01/2026 11:09

malinta · 25/01/2026 11:03

Where did I ' justify' what Trump is doing.

Em I didn't anywhere, you completely made that up.

I said that what Trump's regime is doing, and ALSO what the U.K has done, are both terrible.

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You are trying to silence British people from speaking out against the Trump regime.
I can only take that as support for it.

ChurchWindows · 25/01/2026 11:12

SomersetBrie · 25/01/2026 11:09

You are trying to silence British people from speaking out against the Trump regime.
I can only take that as support for it.

Hear hear.

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker

Skywinn · 25/01/2026 11:20

NotTerfNorCis · 25/01/2026 00:43

She was. An autopsy showed the killing shot went through the side of her head. The ICE agent was stood to the side of her and was in no personal danger.

Even if you were in danger from someone driving towards you - how does it make sense to shoot them, rather than get out the way? Doesn't it make you and others more likely to get run over?

You can't really reason with people who even try to defend what happened. Even of she clipped him with her car on purpose, she was driving away at the time he shot her. So in addition to it being gross, it's also just factually inaccurate for people to attempt to call it self defence.

Dagda · 25/01/2026 11:25

malinta · 25/01/2026 11:03

Where did I ' justify' what Trump is doing.

Em I didn't anywhere, you completely made that up.

I said that what Trump's regime is doing, and ALSO what the U.K has done, are both terrible.

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As an Irish person I just find you embarrassing honestly.

It’s not the thread for it. British people can and should express their horror for this.

NotDonna · 25/01/2026 11:26

https://www.economist.com/interactive/trump-approval-tracker
Thanks for the above link @ChurchWindows
How will he react to this? More ICE agents, causing further protest, then national guard deployment, then civil unrest, then a call-off of mid-terms? Can the governors & mayors actually do anything?

AmIthatSpringy · 25/01/2026 11:43

Dagda · 25/01/2026 11:25

As an Irish person I just find you embarrassing honestly.

It’s not the thread for it. British people can and should express their horror for this.

It's just looking for attention. Poor thing

Nabannas · 25/01/2026 11:49

I understand the point about the British army in NI, as a vehicle of state sponsored terrorism. It’s also impossible as an Irish person not to see the parallels between ICE and the Black and Tans.

If anything the latter is the more interesting analogy because the effects are similar - ordinary people putting aside their differences and uniting against atrocities. Most people don’t study history, but you’d think that tyrants would. Instead they repeat their own mistakes.

Another parallel that’s worth considering is post WW1, there was a sudden shift in attitude to colonisation. The Japanese who were late to the game, invaded China in the 1930s and were roundly condemned by all the world powers who had been doing that fifty years before. They rightly read this as rank hypocrisy. But it also indicated a paradigm shift.

The British public have also experienced a paradigm shift, and I think it’s important to support them in calling out injustice. It’s always easier to see it at a distance. But it’s important that it’s being seen. This isn’t the time and place to focus on division.

I’ve been reading about the resistance in Minneapolis and it’s very uplifting to see how many republicans are out on the streets, defending their neighbours, defending childcare facilities ffs. For all the talk about MAGA, the people of Minneapolis are actively demonstrating what is actually GREAT about America- the spirit of generosity and justice. People, facing down fascists aren’t concerned about their differences, and maybe, just maybe, there’s hope that they can find a way to seal the divisions that have fractured their country.

We can’t change what happened in the past, but if we can move forward together, in agreement about what is wrong, it makes it more likely that justice will eventually be served.

Dagda · 25/01/2026 12:01

Nabannas · 25/01/2026 11:49

I understand the point about the British army in NI, as a vehicle of state sponsored terrorism. It’s also impossible as an Irish person not to see the parallels between ICE and the Black and Tans.

If anything the latter is the more interesting analogy because the effects are similar - ordinary people putting aside their differences and uniting against atrocities. Most people don’t study history, but you’d think that tyrants would. Instead they repeat their own mistakes.

Another parallel that’s worth considering is post WW1, there was a sudden shift in attitude to colonisation. The Japanese who were late to the game, invaded China in the 1930s and were roundly condemned by all the world powers who had been doing that fifty years before. They rightly read this as rank hypocrisy. But it also indicated a paradigm shift.

The British public have also experienced a paradigm shift, and I think it’s important to support them in calling out injustice. It’s always easier to see it at a distance. But it’s important that it’s being seen. This isn’t the time and place to focus on division.

I’ve been reading about the resistance in Minneapolis and it’s very uplifting to see how many republicans are out on the streets, defending their neighbours, defending childcare facilities ffs. For all the talk about MAGA, the people of Minneapolis are actively demonstrating what is actually GREAT about America- the spirit of generosity and justice. People, facing down fascists aren’t concerned about their differences, and maybe, just maybe, there’s hope that they can find a way to seal the divisions that have fractured their country.

We can’t change what happened in the past, but if we can move forward together, in agreement about what is wrong, it makes it more likely that justice will eventually be served.

This absolutely.

Saying - your British, you can’t say anything is unhelpful.

In awe of the people in Minneapolis out protesting in -19 degree temperatures in what is turning out to be a very dangerous environment.

I love that people are uniting across political divides to support their neighbours.

Allisnotlost1 · 25/01/2026 12:13

Dabralor · 25/01/2026 10:52

The whole thing is horrifying.
And this is what they do in daylight in public view. I dread to think what happens to those poor people who they take away and detain.

America is done. I think it’s only a matter of time until Trump cites the insurrection act and attempts to scupper the mid terms.

Rest in peace Alex Pretti - you should be alive today.

Finally - this is the thing I don’t get. The gun lobby always say the right to bear arms is to protect against tyranny, but even standing up against the government, disagreeing, holding a legal concealed firearm is now being used as justification for killing citizens.

Allisnotlost1 · 25/01/2026 12:16

malinta · 25/01/2026 10:44

Didn't a MET police officer murder a woman in the UK?

Sarah Everard

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Yes. He’s in prison now, not being lauded by the government.

Why are you trying to derail a thread about a US citizen murdered by his own government?

SerendipityJane · 25/01/2026 12:18

Dabralor · 25/01/2026 10:52

The whole thing is horrifying.
And this is what they do in daylight in public view. I dread to think what happens to those poor people who they take away and detain.

America is done. I think it’s only a matter of time until Trump cites the insurrection act and attempts to scupper the mid terms.

Rest in peace Alex Pretti - you should be alive today.

Makes you wonder if those hundreds of murdered children all died in vain. Their deaths were supposed to be the price of keeping tyranny at bay.

Igotjelly · 25/01/2026 12:21

Allisnotlost1 · 25/01/2026 12:16

Yes. He’s in prison now, not being lauded by the government.

Why are you trying to derail a thread about a US citizen murdered by his own government?

It’s either pure attention seeking or it’s a 🐿️

Allisnotlost1 · 25/01/2026 12:23

Igotjelly · 25/01/2026 12:21

It’s either pure attention seeking or it’s a 🐿️

What’s a squirrel? Like a troll, or a spy? Never heard the term. Love actual squirrels.

Oblivionnnnn · 25/01/2026 12:23

I feel so horrified for the people waking up in Minneapolis today. The fear must be absolutely overwhelming.

LizzieW1969 · 25/01/2026 12:52

SomersetBrie · 25/01/2026 11:09

You are trying to silence British people from speaking out against the Trump regime.
I can only take that as support for it.

I agree. Despite the fact that the British have a lot to answer for, including their actions in Northern Ireland. (Although it didn’t justify the ITA (or Loyalist terrorist groups for that matter) targeting civilians.)

The thing is, though, what is there to say about the UK’s past actions? Apart from to agree that the actions of the British army’s actions in Northern Ireland were completely disgraceful. A lot of British people said as much at the time as well. And I haven’t seen any posts attempting to justify these atrocities, like Bloody Sunday.

And yes, there were many disgraceful acts that the British Empire was guilty of. But again, no one is saying otherwise, are they? Of course there were atrocities committed in our name and a lot of British people have expressed shame about them.

But what can we do about it now, apart from express sorrow that these things happened. We can’t go back in time and change anything.

And yes, there have been countries looking for independence from the UK (although not looking to leave the Commonwealth). Barbados cut ties with the UK Monarchy last year. Australia had a referendum, but voted not to become a republic. They’re not being prevented from doing so.

But none of this means that British posters on this thread shouldn’t be allowed to criticise the acts of ICE that are taking place now. It’s right to speak out against atrocities that are happening now, not in the past.

RedTagAlan · 25/01/2026 12:56

SerendipityJane · 25/01/2026 12:18

Makes you wonder if those hundreds of murdered children all died in vain. Their deaths were supposed to be the price of keeping tyranny at bay.

Yup. Sandy Hook just made them love their guns even more. " It's a false flag operation" they yelled over YouTube as they waved their "DON'T TRED ON ME"
flags. "The dems want our guns"

And now "A top California prosecutor he appointed, Bill Essayli, later said that if "you approach law enforcement with a gun, there is a high likelihood they will be legally justified in shooting you" - remarks condemned by the Republican-allied National Rifle Association as "dangerous and wrong". (Sky News)

Ahh. I wonder if the thousands of " Meal team 6" squads are huddled together in their cabins, whispering to each other: " Does this mean the feds can shoot us on our next armed march to the State Capitol?"

" I thought they were on our side? That's why we are all on their side"

Igotjelly · 25/01/2026 13:07

Allisnotlost1 · 25/01/2026 12:23

What’s a squirrel? Like a troll, or a spy? Never heard the term. Love actual squirrels.

I’m not sure if it’s an exclusively MN thing. I picked it up from the multiple Russian bots on the long running Ukraine threads 😂

Goldenbear · 25/01/2026 13:26

LizzieW1969 · 25/01/2026 12:52

I agree. Despite the fact that the British have a lot to answer for, including their actions in Northern Ireland. (Although it didn’t justify the ITA (or Loyalist terrorist groups for that matter) targeting civilians.)

The thing is, though, what is there to say about the UK’s past actions? Apart from to agree that the actions of the British army’s actions in Northern Ireland were completely disgraceful. A lot of British people said as much at the time as well. And I haven’t seen any posts attempting to justify these atrocities, like Bloody Sunday.

And yes, there were many disgraceful acts that the British Empire was guilty of. But again, no one is saying otherwise, are they? Of course there were atrocities committed in our name and a lot of British people have expressed shame about them.

But what can we do about it now, apart from express sorrow that these things happened. We can’t go back in time and change anything.

And yes, there have been countries looking for independence from the UK (although not looking to leave the Commonwealth). Barbados cut ties with the UK Monarchy last year. Australia had a referendum, but voted not to become a republic. They’re not being prevented from doing so.

But none of this means that British posters on this thread shouldn’t be allowed to criticise the acts of ICE that are taking place now. It’s right to speak out against atrocities that are happening now, not in the past.

Equally, the likelihood of British posters posting on a British forum is probably quite high!

The poster people are referring to exudes Maga vibes as it reads like they don't have a clue about living in the UK, the big give away being the mendacious anecdotes about her/his work colleagues all questioning the British position on this considering their actions in Northern Ireland, the only one English colleague had their hypocrisy highlighted to them, what an utter crock of shit!

Equally, it's laughable that all Europeans are terrified to go to the UK and are more outspoken about this than they are on 'The Leader of the Free world' threatening the sovereignty of Greenland, destroying NATO and diminishing the European and British NATO Troops sacrifices in Afghanistan! I have Danish family believe me that are not discussing the horrors of the UK!

LlttledrummergirI · 25/01/2026 13:46

malinta · 25/01/2026 08:41

I'm not naive Risingtramp, you are. You act like this has never happened before.

I'm Irish. I have been brought up hearing about innocent Irish protestors being murdered by the British army.The British army were supported by the British government. No one has ever been charged for the murders.

ICE are supported by the US government. They have not been charged for ICE murders

Your posts don't surprise me though. The hypocrisy of some British people is astounding at times.

Edited

For someone who claims to be Irish, judging from your posts on here I would suggest you head back to school to learn Irish history.

Derailing a thread about a murder in America with incorrect ramblings abut events in another country is narcissistic at best.

Samanthajane5 · 25/01/2026 13:50

ICE are scary. The people who are talking about Trump having a third Presidential term are also worrying.

Samanthajane5 · 25/01/2026 13:51

LlttledrummergirI · 25/01/2026 13:46

For someone who claims to be Irish, judging from your posts on here I would suggest you head back to school to learn Irish history.

Derailing a thread about a murder in America with incorrect ramblings abut events in another country is narcissistic at best.

I'm Irish. What has that poster written that is inaccurate? It seems to be pretty accurate.

LlttledrummergirI · 25/01/2026 13:54

SerendipityJane · 25/01/2026 10:55

Has anyone thought to setup a crowdfunder for the ICE agents and their families that must be affected by this ? Because it's the only act of satire left to highlight this lunacy.

They did this for the murderer of Renee Good.
It raised $750000