Labour isn't working - Thread 25

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The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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The government should go and find out how banning SM for under 16s is going in Australia. It’s early days still for them, but might give a bit of a heads up as to how it pans out maybe ?

I remember the Charlie Kirk shooting was live-streaming on instagram and most of the teens I know saw it. What are we normalising here…admit I’m a hardliner on it.

I was undecided but I thought Kemi spoke well on it and it’s made me reconsider. She made a good point.

Same. It’s a no brainer.

Perhaps it’s true. Perhaps Starmer’s statements are influenced by his own children. Like his statements telling us some women have penises.

I think the reason Starmer is against it is because he wants 16-year-olds to have the vote

If you cut off the primary source of information, then that doesn't add up.

Oh yes. Excellent point. Of course that’s the reason. Not only could they not have any online information in their pockets - they’d bear a grudge against him so wouldn’t vote for him.

Nice to see he has the interests of the people at heart as always... 👀👀🙈

I hadn’t even thought of that.

Yes you probably have a point there

Yes I thought the same when I first posted about this. Votes for 16yo doesn't hold water alongside this. Explains why the govt has only pledged a consultation, just trying to avoid a rebellion from their own MPs.
Hopefully the Lords and MPs will see through that and vote for the ammendment anyway so the govt can't wriggle out of it at a later date.

That's interesting. Social media has a very specific, radical and divisive, news ecosystem. I wonder what happens without that running in the background over the teenage years? It has to shake things up a bit.

The Chinese embassy has been approved, sigh. That will go down well across the pond.

Sam Coates is reporting that discussions for a u turn on ending jury trials have begun. 👍

Ffs, re embassy. The push back on trials is absolutely necessary, what the hell were they thinking?

And MI5 are saying that they cannot guarantee that they can prevent the national security risks that follow from this decision.

Well, they can't say they haven't been warned.

I'm not just an unremarkable face 😂 and I could totally lie on here and tell you I'm stunning 😂😂

I figured the Chinese embassy would be approved. As I say, with all the differing alliances, I think Starmer wants the Chinese on side.

I’d say likely move to Greens, Reform maybe even Kemi. I can’t see Starmer going down well with anyone that age. Too stodgy. Davey not really relevant.

Hopefully on the trial u turn. U turn it all, it’s all bad.

I was just reading Trump / US could just buy Chagos instead. What an idiot Starmer is.

Ah now it makes sense. We do send young adults a lot of confusing messages on when they’re responsible - what is it, 12 for medical issues, in law it depends on the judge whether you’re tried as an adult, you can leave school at 16 etc etc.

if there was ever a need for a guide for young people in this area..

I was just reading Trump / US could just buy Chagos

I nearly spat my tea when I read that line! Fucking hell.

The Telegraph, made me laugh as just so bad. What egg on the face if so. Imagine

It’s not outside the realm of possible I’d say

I think it is worth reading the whole statement from MI5 and GCHQ.

Sir Ken McCallum, the MI5 director general, and Anne Keast-Butler, the GCHQ director, say:

MI5 has over 100 years of experience managing national security risks associated with foreign diplomatic premises in London.

For the Royal Mint Court site, as with any foreign embassy on UK soil, it is not realistic to expect to be able wholly to eliminate each and every potential risk. (And even if this were a practicable goal, it would be irrational to drive ‘embassy-generated risk’ down to zero when numerous other threat vectors are so central to the national security risks we face in the present era.)

However, the collective work across UK intelligence agencies and HMG departments to formulate a package of national security mitigations for the site has been, in our view, expert, professional and proportionate.

Referring to the steps that have been taken to reduce the risks, McCallum and Keast-Butler say:

As detailed in classified briefings given to the intelligence and security committee of parliament, the package of mitigations deals acceptably with a wide range of sensitive national security issues, including cabling.

These mitigations will be subject to regular review through a cross-government process, led at senior level in the Home Office.

Further, it is worth reiterating the new embassy will replace seven different diplomatically-accredited sites across London which China currently operates; this consolidation should bring clear security advantages.

Thanks for popping in out of nowhere again to qualify my post @AnnasFangs. I have read it. It's a cracking shit sandwich.

My pleasure!

I thought Trump being a terrier with a bone about Greenland was connected to Chagos and not wanting to lose the bases there.

What a mess.

It’s not really linked to Greenland but Chagos is a terrible deal. So much taxpayer money

Having given back Chagos with a huge cash bribe thrown in. The government really can't say much about Trump. And Greenland.

Canada has thrown it's lot in with China, wonder if our government are flirting with the idea.

Well I'd say buy it but I read a bit ago that the Chinese were doing a deal with them.