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Does anyone still support this Labour government?

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PutTheCakeDOWN · 28/12/2025 12:24

I know NO ONE in real life who still sticks up for them (apart from my mother, and she would support Labour even if KS owned up to creating Covid). Apart from that, all quiet on the western front.

I haven’t seen any support on here, or SM for weeks now.

Is it my algorithm bubble, or are people genuinely disappointed with them? I don’t think it can be the algorithms though, as until a few weeks ago there were still words of support popping up.

For full disclosure I think this government is a total shitshow intent on dismantling British culture, and taxing the private sector to death in order to pay for the public sector. With no long term plan once the private sector is squeezed totally dry. I am BEYOND disappointed with them.

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Alexandra2001 · 03/01/2026 09:49

BurntBroccoli · 03/01/2026 09:45

Yes Reform support has been dropping once they are getting some scrutiny.

Labour need to get better with comms (difficult however when the right wing press is very much against them).

Right wing press have a problem... they naturally want to support the Tories but the Tories are tied to 14 years of failure, but support for Reform will backfire... see also Farage and links to Russia (no one loves a Traitor)

100% on Labour and self inflicted own goals.

DuncinToffee · 03/01/2026 10:24

PutTheCakeDOWN · 03/01/2026 06:23

see above for my detailed posts on this, no point asking me to repeat it because I won’t.

Literally what you quoted in your post. That’s what the <scream> was for. You quoted me saying the above, then asked me to repeat it then when I wouldn’t went ‘oho, no examples then eh?’

Maybe <facepalm> would have been more appropriate. What I dont feel is appropriate however, is taking the time to write yet another considered and detailed post on the above points, or reiterate the general discussion that was had around it - for your benefit.

I have read your posts and understand that the issues affect you personally but it is not wrecking British culture.

Neither is it an absolute war on rural Britain

CurlewKate · 03/01/2026 11:02

The people I know who talk along the “war on rural Britain” lines are, when pressed, thinking about blood sports.

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EasternStandard · 03/01/2026 11:24

All the issues the op mentions will be part of why the approval rating is so low for Starmer and Labour.

BIossomtoes · 03/01/2026 11:37

EasternStandard · 03/01/2026 11:24

All the issues the op mentions will be part of why the approval rating is so low for Starmer and Labour.

No they won’t. The shires vote has always been Tory to its core.

Legolava · 03/01/2026 13:37

EasternStandard · 03/01/2026 11:24

All the issues the op mentions will be part of why the approval rating is so low for Starmer and Labour.

Going to be even lower when teachers and parents of SEND children have their say.

EasternStandard · 03/01/2026 13:40

Legolava · 03/01/2026 13:37

Going to be even lower when teachers and parents of SEND children have their say.

We’ll see what happens with the upcoming elections. They usually have more political impact, polls are easier to ignore.

Legolava · 03/01/2026 13:48

EasternStandard · 03/01/2026 13:40

We’ll see what happens with the upcoming elections. They usually have more political impact, polls are easier to ignore.

Well a whole shit storm is a brewing. Basically, we can’t and won’t fund the education system properly. The system isn’t fit for purpose and we can’t support children with SEND. I know they promised VAT would fix it but erm…it hasn’t, as predicted, and they don’t know what to do. So what’s the answer? Cut corners, reduce expert diagnosis, reduce funding and strip the rights of thousands of children and families away. Let’s not forget we also need government sources leaking to the press how these children get nice things so need punishing. This time though, it’s not aimed at children in private schools, it’s aimed at the most vulnerable in state. If they go for one group, it will always be you next.

Alexandra2001 · 03/01/2026 13:57

Legolava · 03/01/2026 13:48

Well a whole shit storm is a brewing. Basically, we can’t and won’t fund the education system properly. The system isn’t fit for purpose and we can’t support children with SEND. I know they promised VAT would fix it but erm…it hasn’t, as predicted, and they don’t know what to do. So what’s the answer? Cut corners, reduce expert diagnosis, reduce funding and strip the rights of thousands of children and families away. Let’s not forget we also need government sources leaking to the press how these children get nice things so need punishing. This time though, it’s not aimed at children in private schools, it’s aimed at the most vulnerable in state. If they go for one group, it will always be you next.

On one hand you want tax cuts and no more tax increases, but on the other, more spending on SEND.... where does it end?

Might be better to look at why the UK has substantially more children diagnosed with educational needs than any other country in Europe?

Over diagnosis must be happening or we are a nation of poor parenting ... unless there is a genetic reason?

EasternStandard · 03/01/2026 14:00

Legolava · 03/01/2026 13:48

Well a whole shit storm is a brewing. Basically, we can’t and won’t fund the education system properly. The system isn’t fit for purpose and we can’t support children with SEND. I know they promised VAT would fix it but erm…it hasn’t, as predicted, and they don’t know what to do. So what’s the answer? Cut corners, reduce expert diagnosis, reduce funding and strip the rights of thousands of children and families away. Let’s not forget we also need government sources leaking to the press how these children get nice things so need punishing. This time though, it’s not aimed at children in private schools, it’s aimed at the most vulnerable in state. If they go for one group, it will always be you next.

This is sad to hear. Maybe the press will pick up on it more.

DuncinToffee · 03/01/2026 14:03

I remember the Tories aiming to restore education funding to 2010 levels and the catch-up czar resigning over lack of funding.

Legolava · 03/01/2026 14:23

Alexandra2001 · 03/01/2026 13:57

On one hand you want tax cuts and no more tax increases, but on the other, more spending on SEND.... where does it end?

Might be better to look at why the UK has substantially more children diagnosed with educational needs than any other country in Europe?

Over diagnosis must be happening or we are a nation of poor parenting ... unless there is a genetic reason?

Oh, there absolutely is poor parenting. Huge state dependency which
is why I don’t agree with the lifting of the two child cap. That’s not going to children who need it. It’s a feel good exercise. I do agree with universal free FSM as I know the children are being fed. Also, our education system is not fit for purpose and needs a complete overhaul. That would actually take effort. I would happily pay more tax, if it was spent appropriately. It’s not and we need more tax because this government are throttling the private sector. So incompetence on every level. Well sadly, it’s now vulnerable, disabled children who are now on the end of the divisive and spiteful rhetoric that other children were up against not so long ago.

Legolava · 03/01/2026 14:25

EasternStandard · 03/01/2026 14:00

This is sad to hear. Maybe the press will pick up on it more.

They already have. This is all over edu and SEND circles now. People are really angry and upset. Government sources leaked that these disabled children were getting nice things don’t you know. Like skiing and horse riding. Aren’t they lucky. So this government source has whipped up a frenzy and now people are desperately wanting the removal of 1000s of children’s legal rights. It worked for private school children and now they are doing it again.

HazeyjaneIII · 03/01/2026 23:08

Legolava · 03/01/2026 14:25

They already have. This is all over edu and SEND circles now. People are really angry and upset. Government sources leaked that these disabled children were getting nice things don’t you know. Like skiing and horse riding. Aren’t they lucky. So this government source has whipped up a frenzy and now people are desperately wanting the removal of 1000s of children’s legal rights. It worked for private school children and now they are doing it again.

The SEND system as ot stands needs major overhauls.
I would like to hear more evidence of the proposed reforms, beyond the unsubstantiated reports in The Times and The Telegraph that you are referring to.

beigeybeige · 04/01/2026 01:23

Alexandra2001 · 03/01/2026 13:57

On one hand you want tax cuts and no more tax increases, but on the other, more spending on SEND.... where does it end?

Might be better to look at why the UK has substantially more children diagnosed with educational needs than any other country in Europe?

Over diagnosis must be happening or we are a nation of poor parenting ... unless there is a genetic reason?

We’re only just starting to correct decades of huge under-diagnosis , particularly of girl children and black and brown children. I wish there was greater and quicker access to NHS diagnoses and better support at school and different types of schools to suit.
Rather than no actual help and a Labour
government mantra that everyone can and should be in mainstream school

Alexandra2001 · 04/01/2026 07:23

Legolava · 03/01/2026 14:23

Oh, there absolutely is poor parenting. Huge state dependency which
is why I don’t agree with the lifting of the two child cap. That’s not going to children who need it. It’s a feel good exercise. I do agree with universal free FSM as I know the children are being fed. Also, our education system is not fit for purpose and needs a complete overhaul. That would actually take effort. I would happily pay more tax, if it was spent appropriately. It’s not and we need more tax because this government are throttling the private sector. So incompetence on every level. Well sadly, it’s now vulnerable, disabled children who are now on the end of the divisive and spiteful rhetoric that other children were up against not so long ago.

I find it hard to believe that the UK has substantially more SEN children than say Germany Finland Sweden etc with their very well funded education systems.

We should be looking at the "why?" not just accepting it as fact.

I don't agree with lifting the 2 child cap either, i think that money would have been better spent on more and better Sure start style centres, lets address the poor parenting we clearly have in the UK.

We have to find around £60 billion more for defence... there are ever rising demands for every service imaginable and we haven't even begun to address Adult Social Care or Dentistry....

The demands on this Govt to fix x y or z are incredible, how did we allow ourselves to get into this state? and who caused it?

LizzieSiddal · 04/01/2026 09:18

HazeyjaneIII · 03/01/2026 23:08

The SEND system as ot stands needs major overhauls.
I would like to hear more evidence of the proposed reforms, beyond the unsubstantiated reports in The Times and The Telegraph that you are referring to.

What I’ve read about SEN changes is that the curriculum, the way of implementing, number of staff in each classroom and staff training will be set up to include the vast majority of these dc.

Billions of pounds are spent at the moment on the actual process of getting help for these kids. If you take that process away, all those billions can be put straight into the classroom. Imagine what a difference that would make to those dc. It’s done this way in many other countries and it works.

StarsTwinklingPomanders · 04/01/2026 09:55

@Alexandra2001

Or...maybe we are getting better at recognising Sen ?
As the parent of a child with mild sen educationally I've seen first hand how disgraceful our education system is
.
My child doesn't need an ehcp I don't think and her needs were so small and yet our system couldn't adapt for her even in the smallest ways.
The stress I had to go through in the face of ignorance was appalling and all the while DD self esteem was falling through the floor.

I'm a parent doing the best I can ,I'm not a trained teacher I'm not gifted in special skills but i walked over hot coals to help my child and parented her differently educationally to her siblings who are 9 * straight students that's A stars in old money and at the top of their cohorts. I've also had endless exemplary praise heaped on all my DC over behaviour. I'm not sure my parenting goes as far as to get into her brain to literally re wire it.

So I have no idea what a comment about parenting and Sen even means ?? Can you parent out austism ? ADHD ?

What you will find in our system is a sluggish vicious cycle locking generations out of education. This is because most pgce Sen training is minimal and optional.
So many teachers have no idea what flags are for dyslexia /autism and so on. So the person who sees your child with their peers ie best places to note differences often can't unless they have some prior knowledge or training.

If they can't see the flags they can't raise them with school senco and parents and they won't have any skills at all to cope with any child whose slightly outside the norm

Of course the odd teacher has family with Sen or has gone deeper or is just more professionally curious in seeking out tips and info /it's all out there.

But generally and in my personal experience to my horror it's a shit show.
I had to get external help ,rely on outsiders and then buy in help as well of course do masses myself.
DD is educationally sound now.
I'm a reasonably educated and intelligent person and jn my small sample of one I found navigating the sheer lack of even the merest flexibility in the school system /the ignorance of Sen / mind bogglingly and soul destroying hard.

Obviously I then connected with many other parents who have never found it easy.

In RL id be very careful implying that send is down to parenting !

StarsTwinklingPomanders · 04/01/2026 09:56
  • so of course if a child is falling through the cracks their self esteem goes which then leads to a myriad of other problems and especially down the line. A loss of hope is a huge factor as well and then the cycle of generations happens .
Sterlingsilver · 04/01/2026 10:11

LizzieSiddal · 04/01/2026 09:18

What I’ve read about SEN changes is that the curriculum, the way of implementing, number of staff in each classroom and staff training will be set up to include the vast majority of these dc.

Billions of pounds are spent at the moment on the actual process of getting help for these kids. If you take that process away, all those billions can be put straight into the classroom. Imagine what a difference that would make to those dc. It’s done this way in many other countries and it works.

Millions of pounds is wasted every year by local authorities fighting parents for support their children desperately need, and in most cases are awarded at tribunal - about 96% on average are awarded at tribunal. This money is a complete and total waste. If you're losing 96% of cases at tribunal, at some point it would click that maybe you shouldn't take those cases to tribunal and you should use the money to support the children instead. And yet still they carry on, because those families who haven't got the resources or are too burnt out by the process to actually take it to tribunal will quietly go away and struggle along on their own.

It doesn't mean that those cases that don't reach tribunal weren't necessary and that child didn't need support. It means that they were squeezed out by a system which is designed to break families so that the LA don't have to provide support. Good for them, not good for vulnerable children. Until I'd been through it I hadn't really appreciated just how little support there is. The answer is, none, unless you have the money to pay for a solicitor.

Unfortunately Those billions of pounds you mention won't get anywhere near children. Local authorities could already choose to spend the money involved in the process on children's outcomes and they choose not to. All these changes will do is cause more children to hit crisis point without any support to save them when they're suicidal as a result. CAMHS is a joke. There's no support now so these bills won't actually improve things for the most vulnerable children - that is to say, any with additional needs.

There's already no effective way for parents to get support for their child if schools say no, so they go for EHCPs - if the LA say no, which they do in almost every case as a matter of course, regardless of the child's needs, then that's how you end up at tribunal. Parents have to fight for every tiny crumb and those crumbs are nowhere near what their child is legally entitled to. But they break a child enough, break the parents, then eventually the parent deregisters and the school gets to tick a little box saying "parents choose to home educate".

That's what needs fixing, not taking parents rights away and handing them over to schools. It's incredibly naive for anyone to think that school staff always have children's best interests at heart. If your child had been bullied out of school by the staff the way my autistic child was, you would be terrified about these bills coming in. It will lead to situations where parents could be compelled to send their child to a setting which is actively harmful to them with staff that couldn't give a shit about them and are actively blocking an EHCP such as happened to my child. Before that happened, I would never have believed that school staff could behave in such a manner towards a vulnerable child, but they can and do with impunity.

The reason more children are being diagnosed and have sen needs is because they school system is set up to suit practically nobody and children with SEN are the least able to cope with a bloated overwhelming curriculum, huge classes, teachers with an hour of SEN training, no TAs and overpaid ignorant SLTS and MATs. Children with SEN are being forced out of education by schools and LAs in a pincer movement because they don't want to meet needs, and at the same time the government wants to remove rights from parents and hand them over to local authorities.

My child was suicidal in the education system after being bullied by the teachers. We've been forced into home education. The government now want to make that choice harder because they want to compel children back into mainstream , yet have absolutely no ideas for how to support those children. It's inhumane, and it's absolutely not what labour were voted in for, this has come out of nowhere. I'm in a reform led LA and they're obviously no better. In fact both labour and reform's approach to disabled children seems to be incredibly similar. And all the while, nobody's talking about taxing the super rich because we are all focused on attacking disabled children.
Changes are necessary yes. Parents need to be able to access support, schools need to provide it, there needs to be real consequences for schools and LAs who wrongfully deny support, we need TAs back into classrooms and get rid of MATs because they're all about profit and not children.

LizzieSiddal · 04/01/2026 10:15

Sterlingsilver · 04/01/2026 10:11

Millions of pounds is wasted every year by local authorities fighting parents for support their children desperately need, and in most cases are awarded at tribunal - about 96% on average are awarded at tribunal. This money is a complete and total waste. If you're losing 96% of cases at tribunal, at some point it would click that maybe you shouldn't take those cases to tribunal and you should use the money to support the children instead. And yet still they carry on, because those families who haven't got the resources or are too burnt out by the process to actually take it to tribunal will quietly go away and struggle along on their own.

It doesn't mean that those cases that don't reach tribunal weren't necessary and that child didn't need support. It means that they were squeezed out by a system which is designed to break families so that the LA don't have to provide support. Good for them, not good for vulnerable children. Until I'd been through it I hadn't really appreciated just how little support there is. The answer is, none, unless you have the money to pay for a solicitor.

Unfortunately Those billions of pounds you mention won't get anywhere near children. Local authorities could already choose to spend the money involved in the process on children's outcomes and they choose not to. All these changes will do is cause more children to hit crisis point without any support to save them when they're suicidal as a result. CAMHS is a joke. There's no support now so these bills won't actually improve things for the most vulnerable children - that is to say, any with additional needs.

There's already no effective way for parents to get support for their child if schools say no, so they go for EHCPs - if the LA say no, which they do in almost every case as a matter of course, regardless of the child's needs, then that's how you end up at tribunal. Parents have to fight for every tiny crumb and those crumbs are nowhere near what their child is legally entitled to. But they break a child enough, break the parents, then eventually the parent deregisters and the school gets to tick a little box saying "parents choose to home educate".

That's what needs fixing, not taking parents rights away and handing them over to schools. It's incredibly naive for anyone to think that school staff always have children's best interests at heart. If your child had been bullied out of school by the staff the way my autistic child was, you would be terrified about these bills coming in. It will lead to situations where parents could be compelled to send their child to a setting which is actively harmful to them with staff that couldn't give a shit about them and are actively blocking an EHCP such as happened to my child. Before that happened, I would never have believed that school staff could behave in such a manner towards a vulnerable child, but they can and do with impunity.

The reason more children are being diagnosed and have sen needs is because they school system is set up to suit practically nobody and children with SEN are the least able to cope with a bloated overwhelming curriculum, huge classes, teachers with an hour of SEN training, no TAs and overpaid ignorant SLTS and MATs. Children with SEN are being forced out of education by schools and LAs in a pincer movement because they don't want to meet needs, and at the same time the government wants to remove rights from parents and hand them over to local authorities.

My child was suicidal in the education system after being bullied by the teachers. We've been forced into home education. The government now want to make that choice harder because they want to compel children back into mainstream , yet have absolutely no ideas for how to support those children. It's inhumane, and it's absolutely not what labour were voted in for, this has come out of nowhere. I'm in a reform led LA and they're obviously no better. In fact both labour and reform's approach to disabled children seems to be incredibly similar. And all the while, nobody's talking about taxing the super rich because we are all focused on attacking disabled children.
Changes are necessary yes. Parents need to be able to access support, schools need to provide it, there needs to be real consequences for schools and LAs who wrongfully deny support, we need TAs back into classrooms and get rid of MATs because they're all about profit and not children.

So sorry to read what you and your dc have been through.

To say “the money won’t get to these dc” is not correct. The government are going to change the law to ensure these billions are put into the classrooms, to provide more staff, more training and also to change the way the curriculum is provided so all children, with support can assess it. As I’ve said, other countries do it this way so why can’t the uk?

AgnesMcDoo · 04/01/2026 10:32

Totally disappointed but still prefer them
to Farage led reform govt

Legolava · 04/01/2026 10:50

Alexandra2001 · 04/01/2026 07:23

I find it hard to believe that the UK has substantially more SEN children than say Germany Finland Sweden etc with their very well funded education systems.

We should be looking at the "why?" not just accepting it as fact.

I don't agree with lifting the 2 child cap either, i think that money would have been better spent on more and better Sure start style centres, lets address the poor parenting we clearly have in the UK.

We have to find around £60 billion more for defence... there are ever rising demands for every service imaginable and we haven't even begun to address Adult Social Care or Dentistry....

The demands on this Govt to fix x y or z are incredible, how did we allow ourselves to get into this state? and who caused it?

Why? We have a significantly higher percentage on disability related benefits too. Which would suggest the system is not fit for purpose across the board. Part of it is over reliance and state dependency too. Learned helplessness. I agree with you here, getting rid of sure start and similar was a huge mistake.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 04/01/2026 11:00

If your child had been bullied out of school by the staff the way my autistic child was, you would be terrified about these bills coming in. It will lead to situations where parents could be compelled to send their child to a setting which is actively harmful to them with staff that couldn't give a shit about them and are actively blocking an EHCP such as happened to my child. Before that happened, I would never have believed that school staff could behave in such a manner towards a vulnerable child, but they can and do with impunity

This. It was this that drove my dd to self harm. The pressure in schools these days is stupid.

Legolava · 04/01/2026 11:02

LizzieSiddal · 04/01/2026 09:18

What I’ve read about SEN changes is that the curriculum, the way of implementing, number of staff in each classroom and staff training will be set up to include the vast majority of these dc.

Billions of pounds are spent at the moment on the actual process of getting help for these kids. If you take that process away, all those billions can be put straight into the classroom. Imagine what a difference that would make to those dc. It’s done this way in many other countries and it works.

Yea it won’t. The actual reality, the actual reality being proposed here? They can’t and don’t fund the huge need in schools right now. They will just throw all these children into mainstream and call it inclusion. In the meantime, these children will not be able to access school and we could seriously lose lives to mental health.

I have NEVER seen the SEND and education circles so concerned about what is coming. This isn’t something floated about recently in the Times. There have been whispers about these proposals for a few months now. In essence, there is no money coming in reality. They can’t meet diagnostics need so want to do that on the cheap now and use teachers. They can’t meet staffing and funding. That’s because the need is too high in mainstream and the education system is not fit for purpose. Rather than sort that, they are proposing stripping the legal rights of 1000s of vulnerable children. For many, an ECHP was a last ditch attempt to force the system to protect their children. What is being proposed will make 100os of vulnerable children and their families even more so. Make no mistake, this is a government who can’t and won’t fix the SEND crisis. It doesn’t know how to and how to fund it. So instead, it will strip the legal rights of 1000s of disabled children, throw them into an underfunded and unfit system and hope for the best. It’s shameful.

They are already leaking to the press about the luxury things these children have to encourage the public to cheerlead this. As I say, the same tactic they used for people to cheerlead some children losing their private school place. The same tactic they are using for motability.