Does anyone still support this Labour government?

[PutTheCakeDOWN]

I know NO ONE in real life who still sticks up for them (apart from my mother, and she would support Labour even if KS owned up to creating Covid). Apart from that, all quiet on the western front.

I haven’t seen any support on here, or SM for weeks now.

Is it my algorithm bubble, or are people genuinely disappointed with them? I don’t think it can be the algorithms though, as until a few weeks ago there were still words of support popping up.

For full disclosure I think this government is a total shitshow intent on dismantling British culture, and taxing the private sector to death in order to pay for the public sector. With no long term plan once the private sector is squeezed totally dry. I am BEYOND disappointed with them.

Not sure you are right that just anyone would have been 'better than Boris...', I really would not want to have had Farage in charge. Boris did have the dependable Rishi backstopping for him. Inexperienced? absolutely, but there's no crash course to help you manage a wildcard pandemic

No crash course, but there were readiness drills, experience gained from epidemic, models, scientific knowledge. They didn't need a crash course, they needed to read what was in front of them, understand it and act accordingly.
They treated the whole thing like some kind of jolly lark that they could politicise to be on the TV every day. They wanted to be hailed as heroes, but forgot that they can't just pretend to govern, they actually had to do the fucking job.

Liverpool, Cheltenham, Crufts were allowed to go ahead despite evidence that they should be cancelled.

They failed and people died.

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I don’t know what Covid has to do with how shit this government is or the price of fish.

Just because other governments have done shit stuff should we let this lot off for the systematic wrecking the economy and culture of Britain?

I don’t get the point being made?

How is the culture of Britain being wrecked? Can you give some examples

The point is that the conversation has moved on and gone off on a slight tangent from the original theme. You might have started the thread but you can't control how it develops I'm afraid.

It doesn’t. It’s deflection and whatabouttery. It’s intentional.

The absolute war on rural Britain - see above for my detailed posts on this, no point asking me to repeat it because I won’t.

The failure to control immigration, especially from countries whose cultures are so unlike our own - again, see upthread.

In fact…..just see upthread. It’s 11pm I’m just not writing all this out again.

That’s not what I’m saying though is it?

No, it's a continuation of the discussion that has been going on for many pages about whether the previous government was corrupt or not.

…and it continues 🤣

Correct though .

Still no specific examples then.

What is the British culture that isn't promoted? Maybe you can give an example

<screams>

Well?

Its not whataboutary.

Who would i vote for if there is an election tomorrow?
Last conservative government-- killed people and gave me a shit MP who was building a career rather than looking after their constituents. So no
Cabinet post holders that lost their seats following piss poor governance have jumped ship to reform and they are offering more of the same. Evidence of being piss poor MPs (is there a constituency office in Clacton yet?)so again no.
Green party- student politics so not unless they are a last resort in my area.
Lib dems, possibly if needed tactically.
Labour, have provided me with a good MP again. They may not be doing everything I would like, and they have made decisions I don't always agree with but overall they appear to be slowly and quietly governing with the country in mind not themselves.

Something thats not been mentioned is the money for postmasters. This is now making it's way to those caught up in the scandal- the last government hadn't included it in the figures, so yes, the last government broke trust and will feature in my voting intentions for many many years.

see above for my detailed posts on this, no point asking me to repeat it because I won’t.

Literally what you quoted in your post. That’s what the <scream> was for. You quoted me saying the above, then asked me to repeat it then when I wouldn’t went ‘oho, no examples then eh?’

Maybe <facepalm> would have been more appropriate. What I dont feel is appropriate however, is taking the time to write yet another considered and detailed post on the above points, or reiterate the general discussion that was had around it - for your benefit.

Well, for starters, my post didn't even mention Tory covid corruption.... of which there are numerous investigations into, over 135 contracts are deemed to have carried a high risk of corruption (Transparency International)

Almost 8 billion of public money lost to Covid fraud... not a fairy tale.

When established PPE companies are ignored but contracts awarded to new suppliers, then the boundaries between incompetence and corruption become very blurred.

Con supporters (on here at least) will always argue that the Tories are better at spending our taxes, yet how many will accept that they really are not, given the evidence from the last 14 years?

From Austerity, PPE to HS2 to Defence procurement.... they have poured money away that we simply do not have, they increased national debt by over 20% before we even got to Covid.... yet in return we got higher taxes and worse public services.

What are the plenty of things Labour are doing wrong? is there anything (you think) they are doing well?

Fair

I can't find your detailed post...

I live in rural Britain, the only thing wrecking it is uncontrolled house building, with lax planning, zero infrastructure ... esp on sewage...done by Tories.

IHT on Farms is very generous and far less than used to be levied in the 80s and 90s.
Banning of Trail Hunting.... whats wrong with that? its camouflage for actual Fox hunting, people who think tearing apart a Fox with dogs is somehow a sport are sick fucks.
Fox numbers can be controlled with shooting and trapping.

The Tories gave us Brexit, this meant we stopped getting migrants from white Christian European countries and have been getting migrants and students from Africa and SE Asia.

Immigration under Bojo and then Sunak was in the millions & then visa overstayers allowed to disappear.

But at least immigration has plummeted under Labour & they have started to send overstayers home, a job made far harder because the 'right oppose ID cards, with a sustained campaign of nonsensical scare stories.

Labour must be aware how unpopular they are despite these threads where people argue they are doing well.

Not even the digital ID scheme is wanted by most.

Whatever the response to that unpopularity is it’s not working as the approval rating goes down each week.

@PutTheCakeDOWN What I dont feel is appropriate however, is taking the time to write yet another considered and detailed post

I wouldn't describe hysterical hyperbole such as 'they are destroying our culture,' 'they are at war with rural Britain,' 'they are doing nothing about xyz,' and 'they hate success,' as considered and detailed, I'm afraid. You asked whether people still support them and got increasingly angry with people who said they did, but you did ask...

Can you explain what you mean about the ‘war’ on rural Britain?

If I remember correctly, farmers voted for Brexit as a majority and Brexit has indeed made farmers poorer due to the removal of the farm subsidies (as per the Tory Agricultural transition policy).

If you mean the ban on trail hunting, then hunts should not have been purposefully going after foxes (as was proven to be happening during that webinar with hunt masters).

Or perhaps Inheritance tax which has now been set at 2.5 million?

YouGov - latest.

Cons 19%(+2)
Labour 20%(+2)
LD 15%(+1)
Greens 15%(-2)
Reform 25%(-3)

All polls show support for Reform dropping.... Lab/Con on more or less the same, between 18 and 20% (exclude the outliers) one of which has Cons on 11%...

So, even hardened Tory supporters must see that despite their lies and misinformation on the state of the country, its not working, Labour support has held up better than expected.... and that the Tories are the party in trouble, if they cannot increase their support despite Labours problems, then they have real issues... time to replace Badenoch?

I was wavering towards the Greens, but looked up how much Labour is actually doing (mainly unreported) and am backing them again.

Yes Reform support has been dropping once they are getting some scrutiny.

Labour need to get better with comms (difficult however when the right wing press is very much against them).