Does anyone still support this Labour government?

[PutTheCakeDOWN]

I know NO ONE in real life who still sticks up for them (apart from my mother, and she would support Labour even if KS owned up to creating Covid). Apart from that, all quiet on the western front.

I haven’t seen any support on here, or SM for weeks now.

Is it my algorithm bubble, or are people genuinely disappointed with them? I don’t think it can be the algorithms though, as until a few weeks ago there were still words of support popping up.

For full disclosure I think this government is a total shitshow intent on dismantling British culture, and taxing the private sector to death in order to pay for the public sector. With no long term plan once the private sector is squeezed totally dry. I am BEYOND disappointed with them.

https://www.ukanticorruptioncoalition.org/work/release-a-missed-opportunity-notorious-vip-lane-unaddressed-in-landmark-report-on-covid-fraud

Maybe this explains it?

It doesn’t no, it’s just a summary of the formal report below. There have been a few posts adamant it has been determined but no one has posted by whom or where this has happened.

The perception issue highlighted below is relevant.

@PutTheCakeDOWN
Yes because all the alternatives are worse.
it was never going to be easy after 14 years of Tory misrule and austerity.
I 8mag8ne you’re a Tory or Reform bot.

Did you read that link, @EasternStandard ? It doesn't prove there was corruption but it highlights the gross mismanagement and calls for measures to be taken to ensure the same doesn't happen again. Whether their actions amounted to corruption or not, there can be no doubt they handled the pandemic appallingly and it came on the back of years of crippling austerity and was then compounded by Brexit, which all added to the utter carnage and the aftermath that Labour inherited.

All this hand-wringing that Labour haven't managed to rectify all that within months of taking office is getting increasingly hard to take, especially when served up with this relaxed attitude to the arrogant, entitled and morally vacuous way the Tories conducted themselves when in office, clinging on to the wording in a report that basically says that what went on was pretty shit but that going any further into it is beyond the scope of the report. What is wrong with you? I can't believe anyone is still trying to defend their behaviour.

Theres a reason people write reports as linked by @boys3

There’s nothing ‘wrong’ with the author of that report either, it’s a very useful summary. Did you read her posts outlining key parts? If you still have outrage direct it at the guy who did the summary.

You re utterly wasting your time, Tories on here defended Truss, defended Bojo saying "let the bodies pile high" defended the sacking of Care workers who refused the covid vaxx, whilst they themselves drank themselves stupid...

Yet within days of Labour taking office, the riots were Starmers fault....

There are one or two posters on here who will never criticise the Cons, what their agenda is? who knows....

Engaging will just get you a sneery reply.

And there it is..

If someone would like to say where it has been tested and proven I’m keen to hear it.

Apart from the inevitable piling on as per I am asking for what those are looking at to be certain

Can anyone show that?

Why are you going on and on about this though?

Ok, say there was definitely no corruption about the procurement of PPE. It doesn't alter the facts about the care home fiasco and Hancock's lies about it, the failure to lock down earlier, the 'let the bodies pile high,' comment and attitude, the 'eat out to help out, fiasco and so much more. The overall Covid report, not the corruption one, is damning of the government's response and if that's as a result of ineptitude rather than corruption, it doesn't make it better does it? And that's before we come on to Lebedev, all the bullying that went on, Cummings, Partygate... PPE corruption was one tiny element of it all and clinging onto that not being true in the midst of everything else is just odd.

Well you keep quoting my posts outraged @pinotnowso it’s your posts I’m responding to.

@DenizenOfAisleOfShamesaid it wasn’t the case, no one seems to have been able to prove otherwise despite many posts lambasting etc so I’m not sure why people are certain. The author of the formal report makes a good point on perception and Denizen has probably got it right. Until someone can show otherwise.

If you are 100% sure that there was no corruption because Denizen said so, then that is your perogative.

The Tories did plenty of things wrong. Labour is doing plenty of things wrong.

But any criticisms I have of Labour are ones where I stick to established facts. This Tory Covid corruption nonsense isn’t based on facts. It’s no more than a pernicious lie.

I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a Labour poster on MN willing to accept that it’s untrue. It’s a left-wing fairytale that people want to believe because they operate with a childish mentality of heroes and villains. (Plenty on the right do that too, in reverse.)

People are more certain than I am but in the other direction. Hence a request for proof and what they’re relying on.

I think the author makes a good point on perception however, and it’s possible that is the case.

As said I’m ready to hear why people are so certain, if they say what process happened to underpin it. Can you say?

I suggest you do some own research. Plenty of links from various sources have been provided to start you off.

Ok that’s a no then. Fair enough.

No one can be certain.

It’s all a bit old school with the piling onto you isn’t it? Always the same, trying to shut down anything negative about Labour. You can’t possibly, wait for it, think both the previous government and this one have made bad choices. It would appear that around 88% of the population, if the polls are to be believed, think this government are making terrible choices.

They are, the FTSE 100 was celebrated today in some forums and media. Whilst in the whole it’s good news. There is a complete lack of understanding what it actually shows from everywhere, including the media. It has the largest UK companies BUT it shows revenues globally really. It is heavily weighted to the very big players and fuel. About 80% of its revenues are from abroad. Not the UK but globally. They are just companies listed in London. You can have a weak economy (as jobs data, SMEs closing and poor growth shows) but a thriving FTSE 100. Both can be true at the same time. Again, it focuses on global revenue and the US dollar. It’s good for pensions, that’s about it. The FTSE 250 is more of an indicator at roughly 55% linked to UK.

The FTSE 100 is storming ahead. The FTSE 250 (which economists use to gauge UK economic stability not the FTSE 100) is lagging behind. FTSE 100 is more about global [performance and FTSE 250 is UK performance. That’s lagging behind the other because our employment sector is struggling and so is consumer confidence. The fact that Labour and its supporters don’t get that is staggering, economically incompetent. Oh…

It’s a bit June ‘24 isn’t it, complete with the usual Labour bot accusation below. Which is a bit nuts given there’s a 12% approval rating.

Yes, it is a little.

Indeed. The approved and experienced suppliers of PPE were ignored and sidelined even though they offered the PPE at cost and it was of standard and readily available. The government decided to source from companies with no PPE experience (Mone) or Matt Hancocks mate down the pub. And then there’s the vip lane debacle. This is all in the Covid enquiry

No government is perfect but anyone else would have done better than Boris and his cronies.

Not sure you are right that just anyone would have been 'better than Boris...', I really would not want to have had Farage in charge. Boris did have the dependable Rishi backstopping for him. Inexperienced? absolutely, but there's no crash course to help you manage a wildcard pandemic.

As for partygate, I have never had a problem with a birthday cake and a glass of fizz, even two, with the people you spend all day and most evenings at work with. If you work in an office from 9-5, and then have a slice of cake and glass of wine with the same people from 5-7, it's not a spreader event.

Sir Keir, with Sue Gray's connivance and the promise of a Chief of Staff job, blew that out of all proportion. But that said, I don't know who, if anyone, was invited into those "parties".

Sunak and his eat out to help out? Sunak who lost access to his whatsapps and went to court to try and stop the release on them?

You weren't the person who on a daily basis told people to stay home, not to have parties.
Sue Gray was rather kind to Johnson in her report.

As for partygate, I have never had a problem with a birthday cake and a glass of fizz, even two, with the people you spend all day and most evenings at work with. If you work in an office from 9-5, and then have a slice of cake and glass of wine with the same people from 5-7, it's not a spreader event.

You might feel differently if, like me, Covid restrictions meant you were prevented from accompanying your dying parent in hospital on the exact day one of those parties took place. It may not have been a spreader event but the government made the rules. The least they and their staff should have done was abide by them.

Well, it all ended happily for Sue Gray. Loved and nurtured within the warm embrace of the cuddly Labour family…

How is her new job as Envoy to the Prime Minister for the Nations and Regions (🤭) going? What? She never did the job and it doesn’t exist anymore? How odd.

Still, she did make it to Baroness.

Covid restrictions meant that my DH's mum, with vascular dementia, didn't see a family face for 18 months. It was a location issue, we lived 6 hours apart but until the travel restriction eased, we could not visit.

We all have horrible memories from those months. I'm very sorry your family suffered. Ours were horrid too, just outside Covid, but equally unpleasant.

Sue Gray was appointed by Johnson who sang her praises until he was found guilty of deliberately misleading Parliament over Partygate

Ofcourse he didn't get sacked until he tried to appoint a sex pest

This.