Does anyone still support this Labour government?

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I know NO ONE in real life who still sticks up for them (apart from my mother, and she would support Labour even if KS owned up to creating Covid). Apart from that, all quiet on the western front.

I haven’t seen any support on here, or SM for weeks now.

Is it my algorithm bubble, or are people genuinely disappointed with them? I don’t think it can be the algorithms though, as until a few weeks ago there were still words of support popping up.

For full disclosure I think this government is a total shitshow intent on dismantling British culture, and taxing the private sector to death in order to pay for the public sector. With no long term plan once the private sector is squeezed totally dry. I am BEYOND disappointed with them.

This is a typical MN response. Pick out one thing and bang on about it whilst totally ignoring the lists of what has been achieved as posted by other posters earlier on.

I'm sure if any government was scrutinised going back in time it would be possible to find things on their manifestos that they didn't achieve.

I think it’s the algorithm OP - there are many successes and positivity but you ll never see or hear it in the media because they are obsessed with Farage and talking us down. I do question the Labour comms team though - they need to get the messages out there.

It’s all a bit 1984 memory holes I think!

The only thing Orwellian about this is the willingness of people to believe a repeated falsehood.

Call me shallow but does anyone else think the party looks physically visually weak? Some of them look on deaths door, I can't help but think 'if you can't look after yourselves, how can you look after the country '

I can’t help wondering if the lack of pointing out what they’re doing right is an elaborate bluff: if they try to point it out, they know the media and opposition will say that it’s nonsense, so instead, they’re waiting until they have something tangible, and can SHOW their achievements. All part of “under promise and over deliver”, but carrying on for longer than people are expecting. I’ve no time for politicians who keep crowing about the miracles they have worked, or are going to work (if only you will kneel and worship me): that’s what the big mouths like Johnson, Trump and Farage do.

Maybe this is wishful thinking on my part, but if it is their strategy, I admire it.

It’s not, @DenizenOfAisleOfShameis right

Lol, no they look fine to me.
This comment sounds very Dr Who coded - "don't you think she looks tired?" 😁

I suspect that enough of the country have been impacted by the tax rises/unemployment rises/illegal migration chaos that they won't vote Labour again.

I wanted them to have a chance (the outgoing tories had lost the plot) but what a mesh they've made.

Starmer said he'd 'smash thegangs' er, how's that going?

I think that doing the job of PM or Chancellor is enough to age and stress anyone, so that doesn't surprise me in the least.

I see the point you are making and I do agree that both Starmer and Reeves look somewhat permanently she'll shocked and drained from the reality of being in Government.

But exactly the same thing happened to Blair. Whereas Cameron took the approach of "yeah I stuffed up the country with Brexit but I don't want the stress and agro of cleaning up my own mess, so I'm off".

Johnson was driven by the goal of becoming PM but very quickly bored by the reality of the day to day job.

Johnson barely had time after 2019 GE before covid hit.

Agree on stress showing for Starmer and Reeves.

I absolutely agree that Johnson found government boring (he wanted to be a king not a PM) but within a few months of coming in the global pandemic happened. Honestly I think like having a good war, Covid absolutely saved Johnson politically by providing an enormous distraction . So much of the self inflicted horrendous Brexit damage to the UK was able to be blamed on that.

Plus Johnson’s own personal Churchillian aspirations could be acted out via addresses to the nation that we all had to legally follow in our behaviour word for word (… but no rules for him and his own inner circle tho obviously!). We were all as civilians understandably just very grateful if we weren’t killed by Covid or starved to death if our industries had been shut down. Very gratifying level of absolute power for a massive narcissist like Johnson

I guess if you don’t consider the covid VIP lane contracts as corruption she is. I’m not sure what mental gymnastics you have to do to think that wasn’t government corruption though. remember we were all there too. We have memories.

www.open-contracting.org/2024/09/09/was-uks-covid-ppe-procurement-even-worse-than-we-thought-new-analysis-raises-more-red-flags/

It was just unfortunate for the rest of us that we had the worst possible PM at the worst possible time.

It did absolutely save his arse on Brexit though because all of the problems with the economy Brexit caused after we left in Jan 2021 can easily be blamed on the Covid response.

@DenizenOfAisleOfShamehas covered it in posts, the response below seems to be just not reading it but she has gone through each point, below and on other threads.

@cardibach
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/693807357a605b2d61cd8f54/E03505750_HMT_CP_1462_v04_ELAY.pdf

The official report published last month. Doesn't directly support your narrative on this. Highlights lots of issues though, particularly around lack of controls. Just not the absolute slam dunk that some like to promote.

I’d also be interested in what Labour propose they would have done when the whole world was scrambling for the same stuff. And to get it quickly.

They seem to be folding as a party without the added strain of a pandemic.

I’m sorry, I’m not engaging with someone who is so entrenched they are denying that the Tory government were corrupt and also useless in the pandemic. The investigation keeps revealing it. I expect Labour would have done what a lot of other countries did and managed it without cronyism and denial.
And that’s me out. It’s sickening how you and others can deny what we all saw and what the investigation is reporting. Sickening. Shame on you.

@EasternStandard Well what the Tories did regarding procuring PPE etc didn't actually work very effectively as hospitals didn't have enough and a lot of what they did get hold of wasn't suitable. It's true we don't know what Labour would have done but we can be sure whatever it was people against them on this thread and others would not have been defending them and saying they were doing their best. My understanding of the official stance on the Covid contracts is that it wasn't actually criminal but a lot of corners were cut and it was pretty 'dodgy', to use a technical term. Overall the handling of the pandemic was pretty dire, as per the findings of the inquiry.

What’s the point in asking if you can’t even read their responses.

They make sense but you do have to move past being entrenched to read and take it in.

If you were a politician and you thought some masks could save lives would you change laws to get them as quickly as possible or go through established process that can take a long time?

It was messy but if you wanted China to send hundreds of thousands to the U.K. and not to Italy or wherever who is also bartering for them you’ll need a way to do that. It’s supply, demand and pricing.

If we have another pandemic that relies on something in short supply and in great demand how would you source it?

If we have another pandemic that relies on something in short supply and in great demand how would you source it?

Definitely not by opening a VIP lane for all my mates. Maybe hire some supply chain experts?

Michelle Mone's company supplying substandard PPE was just unlucky then?

Good luck to those who want a slow response next time.

Given the media backlash and the ‘shame on you’ bit which is just really odd tbf, politicians will cover themselves first.

If it means we get less stuff on an open and highly competitive market then so be it.

@DenizenOfAisleOfShamehas covered the Mone case in a few posts.

Experienced companies with established supply chains ans stocks were ignored in favour of VIP lanes like Hancock's pub mate

Using those companies would have been quicker and would have saved a lot of tax payer's money.