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Does anyone still support this Labour government?

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PutTheCakeDOWN · 28/12/2025 12:24

I know NO ONE in real life who still sticks up for them (apart from my mother, and she would support Labour even if KS owned up to creating Covid). Apart from that, all quiet on the western front.

I haven’t seen any support on here, or SM for weeks now.

Is it my algorithm bubble, or are people genuinely disappointed with them? I don’t think it can be the algorithms though, as until a few weeks ago there were still words of support popping up.

For full disclosure I think this government is a total shitshow intent on dismantling British culture, and taxing the private sector to death in order to pay for the public sector. With no long term plan once the private sector is squeezed totally dry. I am BEYOND disappointed with them.

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EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 12:08

DuncinToffee · 02/01/2026 12:07

Experienced companies with established supply chains ans stocks were ignored in favour of VIP lanes like Hancock's pub mate

Using those companies would have been quicker and would have saved a lot of tax payer's money.

Established supply chains to where? They are free to sell to any gov and with such high demand can choose as they like.

DuncinToffee · 02/01/2026 12:10

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 12:08

Established supply chains to where? They are free to sell to any gov and with such high demand can choose as they like.

They are free to sell to any gov and the Tory government were free to ignore which they did.

BIossomtoes · 02/01/2026 12:12

Hopefully any government in power in the event of another pandemic would heed Sir Paul Nurse’s advice.

Criticized Government Unresponsiveness: Sir Paul testified at the UK Covid-19 Inquiry that the government largely ignored their offers of help and letter for three months, a decision he believes likely increased infections and deaths. He described talking to ministers as like "poking a blancmange".

Challenged Lack of Preparedness: He was an outspoken critic of the government's overall strategy, accusing them of being "unprepared" and "firefighting" the crisis with "one-line slogans with no substance behind them". He also highlighted the shortsightedness of not having a large stock of personal protective equipment (PPE) ready.

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MellersSmellers · 02/01/2026 12:13

Thank you @HappiestSleeping for the link to the Policy Tracker, and to @RafaistheKingofClay for your summary which I agree with 💯.
However, I still feel a sense of disappointment - the number of gaffs and about-turns has been sooo frustrating, and the moral vacuum at the heart of Labour in relation to Gaza has been gut-wrenching to me 😢
I hold onto hope though, as I don't see any other credible option

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 12:18

DuncinToffee · 02/01/2026 12:10

They are free to sell to any gov and the Tory government were free to ignore which they did.

Can you say a name of a supplier you’re thinking of with this?

pinotnow · 02/01/2026 12:21

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 12:18

Can you say a name of a supplier you’re thinking of with this?

A quick Google brings up multiple names of firms.

BIossomtoes · 02/01/2026 12:23

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 12:18

Can you say a name of a supplier you’re thinking of with this?

The Francis Crick Institute, led by Sir Paul Nurse. His view is posted above.

DuncinToffee · 02/01/2026 12:29

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 12:18

Can you say a name of a supplier you’re thinking of with this?

ARCO
https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/news/health/inside-story-of-how-arco-was-snubbed-by-vip-fast-lane-but-still-protected-countless-lives-with-ppe/

Ace-On
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-shropshire-52369173

Plenty more to find with a quick google

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 12:34

The report from @boys3is interesting, it seems over ordering was an issue. I’d say it’s hard to know how much will be needed when everyone is fighting for the same stuff but perhaps the next time people will get the amount right.

it also has a good idea on approach

a) Looking forward: emphasising recoveries and adopting an ‘improvement mindset' rather than ascribing blame or developing a blow-by-blow account of the pandemic.

b) Learning lessons rather than finding scapegoats: using the diagnosis of what went wrong to develop and embed robust improvements in practice and, whilst recognising accountability for decisions taken, not ascribing blame for its own sake.

c) Celebrating success: as well as calling out mistakes and learning from them, highlighting good practice and learning from success stories.

Not something we do well.

BIossomtoes · 02/01/2026 12:34

That ARCO link has just made me so angry. When I think of the completely unnecessary struggles staff in ITU had because of the PPE shortage. 😡

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 02/01/2026 12:42

I really can’t be arsed to go through this in detail. Read the JR judgments, read the NAO report, read the report of the ‘Corruption Tsar’ 🙄.

The VIP lane was found so trivially unlawful so that the court refused a declaration of unlawfulness.

There is no evidence of corruption in PPE procurement. None. All the Labourites (and others) do is regurgitate this absolute nonsense.

It’s a disgraceful lie.

DuncinToffee · 02/01/2026 12:44

Covid Inquiry modules 1 and 5 key findings are available

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 12:48

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 02/01/2026 12:42

I really can’t be arsed to go through this in detail. Read the JR judgments, read the NAO report, read the report of the ‘Corruption Tsar’ 🙄.

The VIP lane was found so trivially unlawful so that the court refused a declaration of unlawfulness.

There is no evidence of corruption in PPE procurement. None. All the Labourites (and others) do is regurgitate this absolute nonsense.

It’s a disgraceful lie.

What the court declared is relevant I agree, you’re correct there. The report from @boys3is useful for next time. I think you have a point and things can be learnt from the document below.

Legolava · 02/01/2026 12:55

It’s easy deflection. Much like they demonised private school parents. Only succeeded in making private schools more elitist. They now plan the same divisive rhetoric for stripping the legal rights of disabled children. Look over here and the mean people who pay private school fees. It’s now looks over here at these disabled children who may have something you don’t. What was it the party source linked? Oh yeah, horse riding and skiing etc. So now the groundwork has now been laid to remove legal rights from disabled children because they have something that you don’t. The whole government are a disgrace.

BIossomtoes · 02/01/2026 12:57

There is no evidence of corruption in PPE procurement. None.

You’re just attempting to gaslight now.

boys3 · 02/01/2026 12:59

Experienced companies with established supply chains ans stocks were ignored in favour of VIP lanes like Hancock's pub mate
Using those companies would have been quicker and would have saved a lot of tax payer's money.

@DuncinToffee that's not what the Pursuing Recoveries and Preventing Reoccurrence Final Report of the Covid Counter Fraud Commissioner quite says is it? I'd extend this observation to @cardibach and @Blossomtoes . All three of you normally tend to a more evidence driven approach which would be disappointing to see abandoned.

It is a lengthy report , but use ctrl-F for "corruption", or "cronyism" or "HPL". The author does not pull any punches but equally does not appear to be suffering from Reformitis (the peddling of populist bullshit and half-truths) either.

I'll link to the full report published just last month again. Final Report of the Covid Counter Fraud Commissioner

To quote directly from the report, para 2.9, on the High Priority Lane (VIP lane). My emphasis is in bold

Lack of transparency, delayed contract publication and the HPL undermined public trust, although do not appear to have contributed to the problem of contested contracts.

Questions have been raised about the quality of deliveries from suppliers introduced to DHSC via the HPL. Under this scheme, suppliers introduced by officials or politicians were treated as high priority to enter the process for consideration ahead of others. They were then subject to the same review as other potential suppliers although in the first phase of the pandemic this required few checks. I was told that the HPL was developed as a response to the DHSC being flooded with well-meaning offers to supply small quantities of unsuitable product, in response to a “Call to Arms” from the Prime Minister and the DHSC Secretary of State. Notwithstanding concerns from early reports about the quality of deliveries by HPL suppliers, my analysis of the HPL contracts suggests that they were no more likely to be subject to dispute than those from outside the HPL.

But to highlight that this is far from a black and white, right or wrong issue the same para goes on to say:

However, the absence of a material difference in the quality of deliveries does not justify the departure from good procurement practice and the impact on public trust created by the existence of the HPL. Similarly, the failure to publish details of PPE contracts on time, highlighted by the UK Anti-Corruption Coalition, undermined public trust in government and invited suspicions about corruption.

As the report states initial demand estimates were wildly overstated leading to a probably well meaning "Call to Arms" that added chaos rather than control. As the report says further on "HPL appears naive". And to agree with @Blossomtoes it restates from the outset he general lack of preparedness that created a key opportunity for both fraudulent behaviour and the lack of key controls that might have prevented more of it.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/693807357a605b2d61cd8f54/E03505750_HMT_CP_1462_v04_ELAY.pdf

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 02/01/2026 13:14

BIossomtoes · 02/01/2026 12:57

There is no evidence of corruption in PPE procurement. None.

You’re just attempting to gaslight now.

You given no evidence of corruption. Just stop with the baseless insinuation. It’s bullshit.

pinotnow · 02/01/2026 13:14

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 12:34

The report from @boys3is interesting, it seems over ordering was an issue. I’d say it’s hard to know how much will be needed when everyone is fighting for the same stuff but perhaps the next time people will get the amount right.

it also has a good idea on approach

a) Looking forward: emphasising recoveries and adopting an ‘improvement mindset' rather than ascribing blame or developing a blow-by-blow account of the pandemic.

b) Learning lessons rather than finding scapegoats: using the diagnosis of what went wrong to develop and embed robust improvements in practice and, whilst recognising accountability for decisions taken, not ascribing blame for its own sake.

c) Celebrating success: as well as calling out mistakes and learning from them, highlighting good practice and learning from success stories.

Not something we do well.

That has got to be one of the most disingenuous things I've ever read. It has to be a wind-up. It would be more convincing if the same poster wasn't accusing Labour of wrecking the country with every move they make. Everything they do is a disgrace, a disaster, stupid, spiteful and engenders fear that the country will be totally destroyed. The Tories are absolutely slated in an inquiry and it's all, 'let's look for the positives and avoid blame...' Utterly bizarre.

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 13:15

boys3 · 02/01/2026 12:59

Experienced companies with established supply chains ans stocks were ignored in favour of VIP lanes like Hancock's pub mate
Using those companies would have been quicker and would have saved a lot of tax payer's money.

@DuncinToffee that's not what the Pursuing Recoveries and Preventing Reoccurrence Final Report of the Covid Counter Fraud Commissioner quite says is it? I'd extend this observation to @cardibach and @Blossomtoes . All three of you normally tend to a more evidence driven approach which would be disappointing to see abandoned.

It is a lengthy report , but use ctrl-F for "corruption", or "cronyism" or "HPL". The author does not pull any punches but equally does not appear to be suffering from Reformitis (the peddling of populist bullshit and half-truths) either.

I'll link to the full report published just last month again. Final Report of the Covid Counter Fraud Commissioner

To quote directly from the report, para 2.9, on the High Priority Lane (VIP lane). My emphasis is in bold

Lack of transparency, delayed contract publication and the HPL undermined public trust, although do not appear to have contributed to the problem of contested contracts.

Questions have been raised about the quality of deliveries from suppliers introduced to DHSC via the HPL. Under this scheme, suppliers introduced by officials or politicians were treated as high priority to enter the process for consideration ahead of others. They were then subject to the same review as other potential suppliers although in the first phase of the pandemic this required few checks. I was told that the HPL was developed as a response to the DHSC being flooded with well-meaning offers to supply small quantities of unsuitable product, in response to a “Call to Arms” from the Prime Minister and the DHSC Secretary of State. Notwithstanding concerns from early reports about the quality of deliveries by HPL suppliers, my analysis of the HPL contracts suggests that they were no more likely to be subject to dispute than those from outside the HPL.

But to highlight that this is far from a black and white, right or wrong issue the same para goes on to say:

However, the absence of a material difference in the quality of deliveries does not justify the departure from good procurement practice and the impact on public trust created by the existence of the HPL. Similarly, the failure to publish details of PPE contracts on time, highlighted by the UK Anti-Corruption Coalition, undermined public trust in government and invited suspicions about corruption.

As the report states initial demand estimates were wildly overstated leading to a probably well meaning "Call to Arms" that added chaos rather than control. As the report says further on "HPL appears naive". And to agree with @Blossomtoes it restates from the outset he general lack of preparedness that created a key opportunity for both fraudulent behaviour and the lack of key controls that might have prevented more of it.

This is useful.

On the other comment in the report on over ordering it’s hard to predict a virus and how it will mutate and last, and how much stock will be available in that time. Perhaps it’s better than falling short from under ordering.

The author seems clued up so perhaps they have suggestions in their report on how to get the order right for the duration of a pandemic next time.

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 13:18

pinotnow · 02/01/2026 13:14

That has got to be one of the most disingenuous things I've ever read. It has to be a wind-up. It would be more convincing if the same poster wasn't accusing Labour of wrecking the country with every move they make. Everything they do is a disgrace, a disaster, stupid, spiteful and engenders fear that the country will be totally destroyed. The Tories are absolutely slated in an inquiry and it's all, 'let's look for the positives and avoid blame...' Utterly bizarre.

I didn’t write it @pinotnowthe author did. It seems to have a nerve but so what really.

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 13:20

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 02/01/2026 13:14

You given no evidence of corruption. Just stop with the baseless insinuation. It’s bullshit.

What is the evidence beyond people say so?

DuncinToffee · 02/01/2026 13:39

boys3 · 02/01/2026 12:59

Experienced companies with established supply chains ans stocks were ignored in favour of VIP lanes like Hancock's pub mate
Using those companies would have been quicker and would have saved a lot of tax payer's money.

@DuncinToffee that's not what the Pursuing Recoveries and Preventing Reoccurrence Final Report of the Covid Counter Fraud Commissioner quite says is it? I'd extend this observation to @cardibach and @Blossomtoes . All three of you normally tend to a more evidence driven approach which would be disappointing to see abandoned.

It is a lengthy report , but use ctrl-F for "corruption", or "cronyism" or "HPL". The author does not pull any punches but equally does not appear to be suffering from Reformitis (the peddling of populist bullshit and half-truths) either.

I'll link to the full report published just last month again. Final Report of the Covid Counter Fraud Commissioner

To quote directly from the report, para 2.9, on the High Priority Lane (VIP lane). My emphasis is in bold

Lack of transparency, delayed contract publication and the HPL undermined public trust, although do not appear to have contributed to the problem of contested contracts.

Questions have been raised about the quality of deliveries from suppliers introduced to DHSC via the HPL. Under this scheme, suppliers introduced by officials or politicians were treated as high priority to enter the process for consideration ahead of others. They were then subject to the same review as other potential suppliers although in the first phase of the pandemic this required few checks. I was told that the HPL was developed as a response to the DHSC being flooded with well-meaning offers to supply small quantities of unsuitable product, in response to a “Call to Arms” from the Prime Minister and the DHSC Secretary of State. Notwithstanding concerns from early reports about the quality of deliveries by HPL suppliers, my analysis of the HPL contracts suggests that they were no more likely to be subject to dispute than those from outside the HPL.

But to highlight that this is far from a black and white, right or wrong issue the same para goes on to say:

However, the absence of a material difference in the quality of deliveries does not justify the departure from good procurement practice and the impact on public trust created by the existence of the HPL. Similarly, the failure to publish details of PPE contracts on time, highlighted by the UK Anti-Corruption Coalition, undermined public trust in government and invited suspicions about corruption.

As the report states initial demand estimates were wildly overstated leading to a probably well meaning "Call to Arms" that added chaos rather than control. As the report says further on "HPL appears naive". And to agree with @Blossomtoes it restates from the outset he general lack of preparedness that created a key opportunity for both fraudulent behaviour and the lack of key controls that might have prevented more of it.

The VIP lanes are not really addressed in that report

w]hile allegations of corruption and cronyism in PPE procurement have understandably generated high levels of public interest, these issues are often less clearly defined and fell outside the formal scope of this review.

LlttledrummergirI · 02/01/2026 14:32

I lived through a pandemic overseen by piss poor governance that led to unnecessary deaths of people.

Some f the things that stay with me:
Reports of prtygate happening the night before the queen buried her husband, sitting alone, socially distanced in a church. The poor family ripped apart in a funeral when people were prevented from comforting their parents.
Being unable to hold a funeral for a relative, all the time number 10 under Johnson carting suitcases of alcohol into the building for parties.
Johnson and Sunak getting FPNs for breaking the law.
Hunt putting people with covid into are homes from hospitals whilst lying about protecting them.
Telling us to stay away from family, whilst living his own and fucking his secretary.
Cummings driving to Barnard Castle to check his eyesight.
No covid support for me in my small start up business (no longer going) but millions for their house of lords croney Baroness Mone.
The piss poor ppe they bought in for the NHS, no care or attention to what they buying, and happy to buy from their mate down the pub.

Those in government caused harm, whether deliberately or due to incapability makes no odds. They failed in their duty and I will never trust them again. That half have now moved to reform, while the rest try to pretend they had fuck all to do with anything at the time reinforces this to me.

They can all fuck off as far as I'm concerned. Labour are one year in to their term, and trying to rebuild trust due to the infinite ham caused by the last government. I'm prepared to give them that chance and will stick with them for now. I may not be agreeing with all their decisions, but at least my current MP writes back with genuine reasons to my letters- not the generic "because the PM says so"" that I got from my previous tory MP.

I'm actually happy if they are showing stress, it shows they give a fuck. Not like the last lot.

EasternStandard · 02/01/2026 14:34

DuncinToffee · 02/01/2026 13:39

The VIP lanes are not really addressed in that report

w]hile allegations of corruption and cronyism in PPE procurement have understandably generated high levels of public interest, these issues are often less clearly defined and fell outside the formal scope of this review.

The perception issue is covered well in @boys3post but if you say there’s more to be addressed elsewhere what are you relying on now as evidence to draw a conclusion?