Labour isn't working - Thread 24

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The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Previous thread.
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Another wannabe gaslighter-in-chief.

From MN own recruitment slide deck - I kid you not.

We only want team players
When we’re hiring, we’d rather leave a hole than hire an arsehole :)

Yeh it’s an odd one. For all Mahmood / Starmer’s tough talk it hasn’t done much in any case.

Although on the left vs right of the Labour Party stuff, the ‘right’ or new Labourites are done aren’t they? I see no evidence at all RR or KS listened to blairites or most centre left policy experts.

you could classify it people who follow basic economic market rules vs essentially anti capitalists. RR and KS have certainly
dragged the private sector down.

45 percent drop in graduate vacancies November
24 to November 25…

Jesus that drop in graduate vacancies is a complete free fall.

It’s a bit bloody sobering. Stressful for anyone with dc needing jobs soon.

Beyond the professions for which you still need specific qualifications, University is now generally a waste of time from a career prospects perspective for so many DC . Debt up to their eyeballs and no graduate prospects. Very sad and so different from when we graduated.

Well done Labour for making it much worse in a year.

I fervently believe that next year will deliver the coup de grace for these wretched people, starting with the unseating of Starmer.

@Prometheus78 plesse dear god you’re right

An unwelcome Christmas present for KS & Co:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/33093396d6f7e7a7

Checking in

Loving the new figures.

This is from a thread I started about Northern Ireland having the best State Education in the UK due to the fact they never got around to destroying it.

Here, is a useful and interesting post and response from the thread.

redange · Today 22:12
Lesina · Today 22:05
We saw our brothers and fathers gunned down in cold blood. Give us a decent education without the guilt, there’s a love :)
Unfortunately, you are going though the debate the rest of the UK went through 50 years ago. The war was won by the original ' Wokes' and over '1000' of England's & Wales best schools were lost transformed or became not accessible to the majority. This, with Labour applying the final 'Chemical ' in the lethal injection, to these attainable schools up until the middle of the 1970's.

Checking in!

Checking in.
I feel this is somewhere I need to be.

I am a farmer who therefore lives in the countryside.

My children TRAIL hunt every week, ie follow the hounds with their friends who follow a scented trail. We walk hound puppies and (much needed) social life in the countryside is pretty much facilitated by the hunt.

One of my children is in private school due to her specific learning difficulty making the local comp unbearable. It is financially crippling as we are not rich.

I have watched over the last year as Labour systematically dismantle our lives. They seem to genuinely hate the countryside and those of us who live here. In a real chip on the shoulder way.

When it came to VAT on school fees, I heard an interview where RR basically admitted that she was doing it because she was poor as a kid and it made her angry that some kids have more money.

All the laws they’re passing on the rural way of life are coming from spite. It is so wrong.

Sorry to hear that you're at the sharp end of these destructive policies @Stilish Welcome to the thread!

Welcome @Stilish

Sending support.

Glad you are here and able to give your RL perspective.

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I was interested to read your thread on education @redange It was so horrible that someone was rude about your spelling - well done for responding to it. It's inspiring and encouraging that you've battled through dyslexia and language processing difficulties, and yet use a written platform to share your ideas. And it's the ideas that matter! My DD also has dyslexia, and I love how original her thinking and her world view is - dyslexia makes life harder for sure, but there's a gift that comes with it.

But coming back to the question of education: I was really struck in the David Betz interview you posted a few days ago that he says that our education system was significantly changed - he says 2 generations ago, but with the change accelerating 30 years ago. That it was dumbed down and limited, but also changed to train people to ritualistically self-abnegate and denounce their own ancestors. To not understand our history so that we are believe lies about it, and are effectively unable to continue our culture - which he suggests was deliberate.

The question starts about 23 mins in, them he gets to the education bit about 25 mins in - I went and found it to re-watch! The whole interview really is sobering.

That really struck a chord: I've seen people here on Mumsnet troubled because they genuinely can't think of anything good about the UK's history, which is completely insane! Genuinely no idea about our leading role in democracy, human rights, medicine, technology, the industrial revolution ffs, the discovery of dna... I hear so many people who seem to believe that Britain caused all the world's problems and is a terrible country which owes a huge debt to the world. That the UK must atone for our sins, and if we suffer then that's just. It's inbuilt into globalist, leftie thinking. When you stop to think about it, it's completely nuts - the very opposite is true! - and incredibly worrying for our future. And no other country does it.

How has this come about? Who dumbed down and sabotaged our education in this way, and why? I'm not even sure when it was. I think it may go back even slightly further than 2 generations: I see this thinking in my PILs - who are 80-ish - although it's possible they absorbed it later than school age, maybe exposed to the very beginnings of that thinking when they were very involved in the Labour party in their teens and early adulthood.

I'm inclined to blame Labour (always!) but I'm not actually sure it came from government. Maybe more from academia?

Welcome @Stilish ! I also have Dyslexic child. I also put her through private high school. Worth every penny and I wish everyone had access.

The stuff about trail hunting is pure culture war as far as I can see. Nasty and unnecessary.

RR’s parents were both teachers. So not poor. Just average.

@Stilish welcome I can’t believe this trail ban has been landed just before the Boxing Day meet no consultation. It’s just so depressing everything this government does is shit they are destroying ways of lives that will never come back. I’ve had two discussions with two of my friends daughters both educated and nice girls but their beliefs halal slaughter is less cruel grooming gangs were mainly white open borders is aspirational no problem with small boats just unbelievable

The trail hunting policy is such terrible - and typical Labour - over-reach.

"We're going to ban a sport which harms no one and brings important social and economic benefits - where you ride your own horses with your own dogs through the countryside, in a harmless social event - because we think it might encourage you to break a different - existing - law."

I mean, WTF?!? It's minority report territory!

It's like outlawing rap music - making it illegal to play or listen to it - because rap music might encourage kids into gun crime.

Except that the group targetted is different.

There would justifiably be outrage and ridicule if rap music was made illegal, but too many vindictive Lefties think it serves those countryside toffs right...for existing.. and living in the countryside... with their horses and their dogs... make them suffer! That will reduce inequality!! Ignorant fools.

Welcome @Stilish

Labour tries to be divisive and nasty by going for a few groups. Apparently some of the electorate are keen on that but it really is shrinking.

No one is actually benefiting so what’s the point?

Again, let’s be honest.

Labour see it as the preserve of those who vote Tory and/or are ‘landed’ elite. This is nothing more than a vicious, personal attack on the rural community.

No game shooting is safe.