Labour isn't working - Thread 24

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Previous thread.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5454130-labour-isnt-working-thread-23?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Definitely opportunistic from Streeting. He seems to be vocally disagreeing with Starmer at every opportunity now. Streeting probably knows that Labour will be out for the rest of his political career, so its soon or never if he wants to be PM. The knives are out for Starmer.

I thought how do you stop a tractor on a mission like this without killing the driver. Answer you really can't.

Yes and they make light work of destroying barriers. Good for those EU farmers - I hope their protests achieve results.

Half of voters think Starmer will be replaced in the coming year.
https://news.sky.com/story/half-of-voters-think-starmer-will-be-replaced-as-prime-minister-by-end-of-2026-poll-suggests-13486956

Latest YouGov poll

Coming back to Niece No1 despite her being a complete 'nob' i dearly love her. Thus, due to the fact that her relationship with her Mother, Father, Sister and Brother has completely broken down is spending Christmas with us and her 'gran'. This, being important here because she went to a school in the South East (me in Cheshire, Mother in Lincolnshire) Niece was always picked up by Nan and Grandad therefore spent a lot of Weekends/ Holidays with them. She was always a bit 'spoiled' ' though and 'Rude' growing up, . The, Countryside and her don't mix hence a demand to go to Boarding School away from the Farm. She at times ridiculed State Education and demeaned her Nan for only teaching in a Grammar School. She, conveniently forgot that it was Nan and Grandad who paid her first 3 years at Boarding School (this being because Grandad had been very successful in business.

Despite, claiming to be a Socialist she loves to take money from her parents, who have bought her cars and continue to give her a monthly allowance, pay her rent in Bristol. She 'claims' her mother and father are 'millionaires' obviously seen in same light as how the Government see them. The, fact now being there would not have been enough money for my Nephew or 2nd Niece to attend Boarding School if they wanted to. In relation to this is 'Why don't they sell some land than' they are 'loaded' with no understanding that farm land is for generations not for the present and equally she has no 'Concept' of how difficult it is to earn even £80 K a year Profit from 1750 Acres(700 Hectars). This, makes her Brother and Sister very angry and contemptuous towards her attitude and disdain for her family. This along with the Shit from Labour has greatly affected her Sister who is projected to attain 2 A* and 2 As in June with offers for Veterinary School Next year, to declare I do not want to go to any University. I need to get my hands 'dirty' at the farm

Niece No1 is 25 and her behavior affects everybody and she needs to grow up, . However, at the moment she needs support from her 'mental issues' or understanding her place in society.

How have Labour gained 2 points...

That is also bad news because it shows the 'Right' under combined 50% . I don't understand this because even You Guv last one had Reform/ Conservative about 52-53%. I also think You Guv are out of Sync with the Other Pollsters.

Not You Guv Combined 51 % But Find out Now 17 December Reform 33% Conservative 18% The combined vote share is very important.

I don't know where YouGov keep finding these Labour supporters who the other pollsters can't. Its a mystery. 🤷‍♂️

Sorry to read about your DN. One of my dc is very left too, despite watching our business go under thanks to Labour. I like to think that age and responsibilty will rectify their stance one day.

Same

Oh thanks that's really sweet
I'll be fine really. Christmas with me and my elderly mother is always super quiet (as she has a medical emergency, which has happened) so I'm often on here! And if I'm on here, you know she hasn't had an emergency! If anybody ever saw me on the elderly parents thread, they would know exactly what I mean. (I don't tend to post there anymore because it's all too depressing).

But I promise not to moan about politics on Christmas Day! Well, if anyone else starts it, I'll join in. Doesn't make much difference to me that it's Christmas day to be honest! Luckily having an evening out with some friends tomorrow.

@TheNuthatch I hope you do get some peace and quiet. Preferably without resorting to hiding in the bathroom.

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Can I come to yours instead please Emerald? Sounds very peaceful compared to mine. 🥴
I hope you and your DM have a lovely, emergency free day.😘

@TheNuthatch you would be very welcome!

A cut and paste from James Quarmby’s (tax lawyer) linkedin post:

Yes, it’s great news that the government has finally retreated from it’s indefensible position, but it’s taken over a year, a lot of heartache, worry and plenty of angry protests.

What a waste …

The truth is that the IHT proposals were all the result of a massive cock-up, which the government has been furiously defending ever since, for fear of looking weak.

Until today, that is.

The genesis of this mess was a policy paper from the IFS which concluded that AR/BR was not fit for purpose as it was being exploited by wealthy investors (those rotters!). The IFS proposed reducing the allowance to £500k. The logic behind this was never properly explained, but it was just a policy paper, so who cares…?

Problem is that the IFS has the ear of Labour and at the latter’s last conference before the election there was a fringe event with Darren Jones (then shadow Treasury secretary), the CIOT and (you guessed it) the IFS. The consensus at that event was that AR/BR was broken and something needed to be done.

Fast forward to Labour winning the election and, in pretty short order, adopting the IFS proposal, albeit with a higher £1m limit.

Despite the fact that this was a major change to IHT there was no consultation, meaning it was announced at the 2024 Budget as a decision. Hard to backtrack from that, especially for a new government.

We then find out that there wasn’t even a proper impact assessment of the measures, with mere guesses based on static data as to the number of farms affected. Also, in a breach of protocol, the Treasury didn’t consult with DEFRA ! I’m told that officials at DEFRA were furious and DEFRA Northern Ireland office actually complained publicly about it.

The government rushed into a major IHT reform without taking proper advice, without an impact assessment or feedback from the one department (DEFRA) which actually knows about farming and without even putting the proposal out for consultation. It was an extraordinarily silly thing to do and, even when they realised that, ministers doubled down, claiming it was “fair” and wouldn’t affect many farms, even when they knew it would.

This is an abject lesson in how NOT to introduce a major reform to tax policy.

Let’s hope it never happens again.

Big love ❤️ to all our farmers.

Tbf this could be said for nearly all policies. Just blundering through and making disastrous decisions.

A few cheering because tax hurts someone not them, but raising very little if anything and causing division. Idiots.

Cracking article on Kemi:

”Tackling Reeves
The second element of Badenoch’s revival among MPs came from her response to the Budget last month. Even with the details of Rachel Reeves’ statement being accidentally put online early, the task requires a quick grasp of detail and a readiness to veer off the script.
While her prepared lines landed well, such as when she called the Chancellor “spineless, shameless and completely aimless” or when she mocked Reeves for warning the nation on breakfast television that she might have to raise taxes (“I interrupt your Cheerios to bring you this frightening message about income tax”), what they most loved was a cutting ad lib.
When Reeves turned to talk to Starmer, Badenoch suddenly paused and used one of the Chancellor’s whines about how she is treated against her. “Is he mansplaining to you?” she asked, witheringly.“

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/4c47863d5cc57595

Brilliant.

Just listening to headlines on farmer suicides due to that tax. How anyone can back Labour idk

So they didn't have the facts, didn't bother trying to work out what the impact would be, and did it anyway? Then they lied repeatedly about the number of family farms that would be affected. Shameful.

Great read, thanks for the share.
I hope that brings Kemi some festive cheer, she deserves it.

@TheNuthatch with every policy school fees IHT NI rise minimum wage rise every bloody thing they’ve fucked up idiots made this country worse it’s criminal

They have. Everything Labour touch turns to shit. They are dreadful.

I'm signing off and ignoring politics for a few days. Wishing you all a very Happy Christmas. 🎄🍷

Happy Christmas Nuthatch!
Titania McGrath’s Christmas message is completely brilliant.

And a partridge in a pear tree! Wishing you all a very merry Christmas.

Starmer or the woman from accounts only gave in as he faced a commons committee the other day and even his own labour MP's.
The MP said to Starmer don't believe me. What is every one else saying NFU, the Labour party and the rest of country, you are targeting the farmers, he said we are not or words to the effect.

Plus look at where they are in the polls.

Starmer said today that what he was doing "I am going to bring down the cost of living" He has no idea what he is talking about