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Labour isn't working - Thread 24

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TheNuthatch · 22/12/2025 07:42

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Pacificsunshine · 23/12/2025 09:28

Your link didn’t work for me @strawberrybubblegum - though I did find a bunch of other interviews with David Betz. Given the people drummed out of academia in recent years, I was surprised someone could be a professor at KCL and say this stuff publicly without a furore.

TheNuthatch · 23/12/2025 09:36

Good morning 😁

Welcome @Stilish 👋
You're amongst friends on here. Many of us feel targeted by Labour. Agree with you about the chip on their shoulders. I just hope that their stupid ideas are reversed by the next govt, including PS Vat, and now this batshittery on trail hunting. Three more years, tick tock.

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EasternStandard · 23/12/2025 09:38

Yep tick tock. Might be earlier. You never know.

The other issue is they’re so bad at economic reality they lean on this social stuff aimed at a few groups. They’d probably last longer if they weren’t so spiteful and nasty but it’s engrained.

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DancingFerret · 23/12/2025 09:44

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Labour isn't working - Thread 24
redange · 23/12/2025 09:56

strawberrybubblegum
Thank you very much: Yes David Betz gives us a lot to to think about . For me the deliberate poising of peoples minds about the United Kingdom's past glory's goes hand in hand with the destruction of the Education system. This, for me was the 'abolition' of the Grammar School system (flaws we come back to that later) which was the 'left's' first battle in their ongoing War of wanton destruction against society. We are some sixty years done that pathway, now and we are now fighting for are very 'survival' as a nation and not a construct of a dormitory for everybody in the World to 'doss' in.

Regarding, Grammar schools in England, the system where it worked probably provided children with an education equal if not better than the Private Schools they chose to copy. Where, it failed was to enable bright children with specific learning difficulties, such as Dyslexia, Dyspraxia to use it. I was obviously very lucky due to a Grammar school teacher mother, and very focused 13 year old 'academic' motivated elder sister, who drilled in to me what i needed to pass the 11+ in Kent. I remember my mother and sister telling me, taking it was important because you have to attempt things that are difficult, because you only achieve through failure. Perhaps, I was lucky because by then, we were in a very Wealthy Financial position due to my fathers en-devours, and if i failed would have ended up at the Local Prep school. That's not the point though , because i passed and notably hobbled along at the bottom of the Grammar School for my journey there. My Mum and Sister, knowing that although it was difficult for me academically, due in the 1980's to no understanding or allowances for Dyslexia/Dyspraxia Autism that i would pull through. I make up 'stories' about how 'slow' i was at the Grammar school and how poor my GCSE/ A level results were, but in hindsight they got me to Keele University. Well done to my Grammar School and the head of Sixth Form who was more thrilled for me than the 2 girls who got in to Oxford that year.

Today, grammar schools have the technology skills SEN teachers and the knowledge to enable children with academic abilities, to thrive away from the chaos of a mainstream Comprehensive.

It is therefore not relevant to hark back to a time when Grammar schools separated the 'wheat' from the chaff which maybe it did in the 1960's because opportunities and life's are not so determined by an 11+ exam. That, however was no reason to destroy the great schools, rather should have been a reason to make all schools great.

However, there are currently a large no of children who could benefit at 11 from a non academic pathway, a vocational structure leading in to the world of work at 15/16. They, are not doing themselves any favor's, nor the country, so perhaps Secondary Modern schools that actually taught trades would be right for these left to 'rot' children.

redange · 23/12/2025 10:06

It was also the Head of Sixth Form and my mother who suggested i take a Degree in Politics and International Relations.

CambridgeSingers · 23/12/2025 12:16

Agree think a lot more of us could’ve gotten behind a govt that didn’t set out to whack specific groups with tax again and again whilst also sneering.

CambridgeSingers · 23/12/2025 12:17

And thank goodness for that - and - why did it take so long, and why didn’t these useless despicable people not do this to start with? Why did it get to the point of terminally ill farmers planning to die before the new tax year?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8e9n3y28g1o

EasternStandard · 23/12/2025 12:34

CambridgeSingers · 23/12/2025 12:17

And thank goodness for that - and - why did it take so long, and why didn’t these useless despicable people not do this to start with? Why did it get to the point of terminally ill farmers planning to die before the new tax year?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8e9n3y28g1o

They waited due to Labour being cruel. Awful people.

DancingFerret · 23/12/2025 13:12

Good news for some farmers (and more egg on Labour's nasty face).

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15408875/Labour-waters-hated-inheritance-tax-raid-farmers.html

redange · 23/12/2025 13:19

For Children of BIL and Sister..

strawberrybubblegum · 23/12/2025 13:23

Pacificsunshine · 23/12/2025 09:28

Your link didn’t work for me @strawberrybubblegum - though I did find a bunch of other interviews with David Betz. Given the people drummed out of academia in recent years, I was surprised someone could be a professor at KCL and say this stuff publicly without a furore.

Sorry, not sure what happened with the link!

Try this:

It's the link @redange posted on the previous thread on 18th December at 23:12

His position certainly gives him credibility. He does say in that video that he chooses his words very, very carefully - making sure that he only says something if he can evidence it - in order to protect himself. He apogises that it makes his answers a bit less free-flowing and that affects the listeners.

strawberrybubblegum · 23/12/2025 13:29

redange · 23/12/2025 13:19

For Children of BIL and Sister..

Sorry to hear that. They need to stay healthy for tbe next few years - hopefully it will be repealed by the next government!

redange · 23/12/2025 13:41

Sisters, eldest Daughter is a 'Sultana' lover despite being the one who went to Boarding School, Bristol University being the culprit as well as some lefty teachers at the then £36 K school. The, sense not surprisingly come from the other two 'Grammarite's' Son 22 at Agriculture Uni and DD 2 in Year 13 where her mother is Head of Sixth Form !

TheNuthatch · 23/12/2025 14:14

CambridgeSingers · 23/12/2025 12:17

And thank goodness for that - and - why did it take so long, and why didn’t these useless despicable people not do this to start with? Why did it get to the point of terminally ill farmers planning to die before the new tax year?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8e9n3y28g1o

Good news for some farmers at least. Let's hope this is the beginning of the end for this dreadful policy. Another one that will only last until this awful government are booted out.
It won't fix the damage done over the last year though.

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Julen7 · 23/12/2025 14:37

Another U turn, well I never.

derxa · 23/12/2025 14:49

Julen7 · 23/12/2025 14:37

Another U turn, well I never.

They saw what was going on with European farmer protests in Brussels. 11,000 descended on Brussels. Dung dumping the lot. Our Labour supporters on here cannot explain why the European farmers are protesting. The EU have done a deal with countries outside the EU which would flood the market with cheap imports. But of course British farmers are protesting because of conditions brought about by Brexit. It really is laughable

redange · 23/12/2025 15:20

The last decent Labour MP Standing Graham Stringer, who these days sounds like he is a 'Reformist'. However, is heart will always be Labour (but in the way that Clem Atlee was)

The, Clem Atlee association is Interesting in light of the fact that organisations such as the Metropolitan Police, are demanding 'Freemasons' acknowledge their details. Clem Atlee was a Freemason. Free-masonry is the true enemy of Fabian-ism which of course is built around Communism, Free-masonry is built around civil and local Society. Thus, we can see the pathway the Labour Party of chosen, that of Fabian-ism and the destruction of local and civil structures.

EasternStandard · 23/12/2025 15:25

redange · 23/12/2025 13:19

DancingFerret · Today 13:12
Good news for some farmers (and more egg on Labour's nasty face).
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15408875/Labour-waters-hated-inheritance-tax-raid-farmers.html

Still means £1 Million liability for BIL and Sister on a business that makes around £80 K a year ! Not really fair is it.

Hopefully this lot will be booted out first. I’m sure it’ll be overturned along with their other spiteful, pointless policies.

EasternStandard · 23/12/2025 15:28

derxa · 23/12/2025 14:49

They saw what was going on with European farmer protests in Brussels. 11,000 descended on Brussels. Dung dumping the lot. Our Labour supporters on here cannot explain why the European farmers are protesting. The EU have done a deal with countries outside the EU which would flood the market with cheap imports. But of course British farmers are protesting because of conditions brought about by Brexit. It really is laughable

Yes I saw that too. I thought pro Labour went on about Brexit being bad for farmers and the EU the opposite. Not quite with those protests.

EmeraldRoulette · 23/12/2025 15:30

thread is too interesting today!

< waves madly at everyone>

I've got too much to do.

I will not be busy on Christmas Day so I guess I'll catch up then but I'll have no one to talk to! 🤷🏻‍♀️😂

justasking111 · 23/12/2025 15:33

derxa · 23/12/2025 14:49

They saw what was going on with European farmer protests in Brussels. 11,000 descended on Brussels. Dung dumping the lot. Our Labour supporters on here cannot explain why the European farmers are protesting. The EU have done a deal with countries outside the EU which would flood the market with cheap imports. But of course British farmers are protesting because of conditions brought about by Brexit. It really is laughable

I watched the farmers in Brussels ripping down speed cameras with tractor attachments, burning mountains of tyres they'd dumped in fields alongside motorways. Mounting the steps of a government building and trashing the foyer this week. The firefighters and taxi drivers have apparently come out in support of them.

I thought how do you stop a tractor on a mission like this without killing the driver. Answer you really can't.

TheNuthatch · 23/12/2025 15:41

EmeraldRoulette · 23/12/2025 15:30

thread is too interesting today!

< waves madly at everyone>

I've got too much to do.

I will not be busy on Christmas Day so I guess I'll catch up then but I'll have no one to talk to! 🤷🏻‍♀️😂

Waves back 👋

I'll be silly busy on xmas day. I may need to hide in the bathroom for 5 minutes of peace at some point, so will try to pop on here and say hello to you. 😁

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