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Labour isn't working - Thread 24

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TheNuthatch · 22/12/2025 07:42

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙* *

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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A chat thread for those who *don't* like this Labour government. 💙 ^The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's mone...

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Hyperobject · 13/01/2026 17:07

Labour MPs have told Sir Keir Starmer not to reward China’s “bullying” by signing off a new “super-embassy” at the centre of a spying row.

Sir Keir’s backbenchers attacked the proposed development after The Telegraph uncovered plans for a secret basement directly alongside cables transmitting financial data through London.

The vast underground complex – revealed in unredacted drawings – was at the centre of a parliamentary row as Labour MPs insisted plans for the embassy “must not be allowed to go ahead”.

The Government was also rebuked by Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Commons Speaker, and opposition politicians for failing to send the security minister to answer MPs’ questions.

Uncovered: Secret room beneath Chinese embassy that poses threat to City

Telegraph obtains unredacted plans showing how close the underground complex will come to cables carrying sensitive British financial data

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/01/12/revealed-china-embassy-secret-plans-spy-basement/

Hyperobject · 13/01/2026 17:11

DancingFerret · 13/01/2026 16:11

Apparently there's a MN revolution in favour of Reform.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/c0d3d818a17417a4

Statistically therefore, one of the five hardcore posters on the ‘other’ thread, is a closet Reform voter…

I wonder which one it is?

EasternStandard · 13/01/2026 17:13

Hyperobject · 13/01/2026 17:11

Statistically therefore, one of the five hardcore posters on the ‘other’ thread, is a closet Reform voter…

I wonder which one it is?

Labour lot won’t like the article 😬

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Hyperobject · 13/01/2026 17:14

EasternStandard · 13/01/2026 17:13

Labour lot won’t like the article 😬

IKR?

Hey ho!

notimagain · 13/01/2026 17:16

@EmeraldRoulette

, I think there's a risk of Starlink satellites being shot down, not shut down

FWIW I think ou were closer with the first version.

The Iranians may have the tech to jam the users Starlonk ground terminals, they have no demonstrated anti-satellite technology and even they could hit one or two there are a hell of a lot of Starlink satellites in orbit.

However I think anyone pushing info out of Iran anti the regime by Starlink or other electronic means is brave (I know that's an understatement).

EasternStandard · 13/01/2026 17:17

Hyperobject · 13/01/2026 17:14

IKR?

Hey ho!

I am impressed with the women who did it, who needs mn Labour focusing on you like that. Good on them.

EmeraldRoulette · 13/01/2026 17:22

Today I heard that my cousin, who is in academia and extremely pro-Labour all her life, has said that she will retire early if taxes go up any more. I'm genuinely surprised by that. But I think that she didn't think too hard about who she was voting for or supporting all these years.

Sorry to say, she's always been in academia, and has zero idea of how the real world works. We don't see each other very much. She has always been horrified by the expectations I have to meet in a workplace, but it's complicated by the fact that she has severe health problems - so things that sound normal to me are inconceivable to her (which is fair enough, but she spent a long time telling me that my workplaces were far too demanding, when actually they were just normal).

I think she'd get early retirement on ill health grounds. It would be totally legit. I'm hugely impressed that she has built a career in her situation. She nearly didn't bother having a pension because she expected to be dead long before. If she'd not been working in academia, with such a generous pension, I suspect she wouldn't have bothered.

But it is a massive U-turn for her. I didn't think anyone would ever hear her say a word against Labour.

We barely talk - it sounds harsh, but I feel like she talks down to me a lot, talks at me a lot and will spend hours on the phone without taking any hints or anything, and never understands anything I say generally 😂 so I suppose it might be a gradual realisation for her as I haven't been chatting to her to know. But my mum also thinks this is a big U-turn. She has apparently annoyed quite a big chunk of the family (not in the UK) by her political views and lack of tolerance for the views of others.

Sorry, I don't know why I'm full of personal stories today 😂

EmeraldRoulette · 13/01/2026 17:26

@notimagain I think as if you've contradicted yourself there

Sounds like they've got the tech to shoot it down, but not to shut it down? Or do signal jammers work anywhere, satellites fly quite low, don't they? So are they within range of a signal jammer? Is there such a thing as an airborne signal jammer?

notimagain · 13/01/2026 17:33

@EmeraldRoulette

Just to confirm we're on about Iran and Starlink before I head off at a complete tangent

TheNuthatch · 13/01/2026 17:40

To the ladies featured and mentioned in the Telegraph article, I salute you. 🫡
I hope some are on this thread, or lurking. Good on you. 👏

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CruCru · 13/01/2026 17:42

SpaceRaccoon · 13/01/2026 16:10

And? People are allowed to support Israel's response to the 7 October attacks. I do.

Same here.

TheNuthatch · 13/01/2026 17:43

Hyperobject · 13/01/2026 17:11

Statistically therefore, one of the five hardcore posters on the ‘other’ thread, is a closet Reform voter…

I wonder which one it is?

🤣🤣🤣🤣

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EmeraldRoulette · 13/01/2026 17:46

*feel not think

what's wrong with me today?!

@notimagain yes!

sorry, as well as my sleep deprived brain, MN is loading too slowly for me to keep up.

I'm going to do my workout now - it might wake me up or it might finish me off 🤷🏻‍♀️

notimagain · 13/01/2026 17:57

EmeraldRoulette · 13/01/2026 17:46

*feel not think

what's wrong with me today?!

@notimagain yes!

sorry, as well as my sleep deprived brain, MN is loading too slowly for me to keep up.

I'm going to do my workout now - it might wake me up or it might finish me off 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Starlink/Iran - quick notes..

Starlink = thousands of satellites, mostly several hundred km up..not really shoot downable.

On the ground one problem for the Iranian population is the incoming signals from space reportedly can be jammed over an area by ground level jammers (maybe something you can move in a truck).

Much much worse still is if someone trys to ping info out of Iran via their Starlink terminal (e-mail, video etc) there's the possibility, on paper at least, that the authorities can detect where on the ground the signal came from....

DrPrunesqualer · 13/01/2026 18:15

SpaceRaccoon · 13/01/2026 16:24

Can we, for the purposes of unity on this thread, not operate on the assumption that everyone has to think a particular way on the Gaza issue, including in 2026?

Agree
as I said this is really a CEM thread discussion

CruCru · 13/01/2026 18:22

“Starmer abandons plans for compulsory digital ID”.

boys3 · 13/01/2026 18:29

Back to basics . I would have included a smiley but the British Retail Consortium update is hardly cheery news. Again not surprising given the policy direction.

https://brc.org.uk/news-and-events/news/corporate-affairs/2026/ungated/drab-christmas-as-consumers-wait-for-sales/

Drab Christmas as consumers wait for sales

https://brc.org.uk/news-and-events/news/corporate-affairs/2026/ungated/drab-christmas-as-consumers-wait-for-sales/

Hyperobject · 13/01/2026 18:31

CruCru · 13/01/2026 18:22

“Starmer abandons plans for compulsory digital ID”.

Interesting, thanks.

I was struggling to think of a noun for Starmer over his digital ID, and the one that first entered my mind was ‘wanker’.

Apols for the profanity.

TheNuthatch · 13/01/2026 18:34

CruCru · 13/01/2026 18:22

“Starmer abandons plans for compulsory digital ID”.

🥳🥳🥳

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justasking111 · 13/01/2026 18:37

notimagain · 13/01/2026 17:16

@EmeraldRoulette

, I think there's a risk of Starlink satellites being shot down, not shut down

FWIW I think ou were closer with the first version.

The Iranians may have the tech to jam the users Starlonk ground terminals, they have no demonstrated anti-satellite technology and even they could hit one or two there are a hell of a lot of Starlink satellites in orbit.

However I think anyone pushing info out of Iran anti the regime by Starlink or other electronic means is brave (I know that's an understatement).

They're incredibly brave.

EasternStandard · 13/01/2026 18:37

CruCru · 13/01/2026 18:22

“Starmer abandons plans for compulsory digital ID”.

Amazing! Well done to everyone who opposed it. Good one!

justasking111 · 13/01/2026 18:38

That poll was interesting, not surprising though.

TheNuthatch · 13/01/2026 18:44

EasternStandard · 13/01/2026 18:37

Amazing! Well done to everyone who opposed it. Good one!

Yes!
U turn on ending jury trials next please. 🙏 Useless idiots.

Looks like the wheels are coming off for Starmer 😁

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EasternStandard · 13/01/2026 18:51

TheNuthatch · 13/01/2026 18:44

Yes!
U turn on ending jury trials next please. 🙏 Useless idiots.

Looks like the wheels are coming off for Starmer 😁

Yep!! I think that’s doable going by Karl Turner and backbenchers

Chagos should u turn too

CambridgeSingers · 13/01/2026 18:54

Good news! Unlike the Scottish budget - aped Labour with ‘free’ breakfasts and a £1m plus mansion tax…two crap left wing populist parties copying each other’s bad ideas..

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