Bondi beach mass shooting

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Just horrendous. There was a big Jewish gathering on the beach. Jewish festival goers targeted by two gunmen. At least ten people dead according to police.

Can you really not understand why?

I was responding to a claim that Christians, Hindus, Sikhs etc do not commit terrorist attacks. The post was implying only muslims commit terrorist attacks.

Yes there are far right christian terrorist who commit atrocities under the disguise of Christanity. Keeping countries pure, white, Christian . Lynching black people etc these people that have committed these crimes are Christian such as the KKK.

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Meanwhile 16 people are dead, including a 10 year old girl and a 41 year old rabbi, father of five. People are angry and have had enough.

So tell me, do you still catergorically deny that this is a genocide.
I just want to hear it from you one more time before i realise you are potentially delusional
or in delibrate denial.

Yes and I'll say it as many times as you like. It was a war, not started by Israel, not a genocide.
I think there is huge global bias against Israel because they are a majority Jewish country, and I think much of the bias comes from Muslims.

@NewmumOct I liked your posts initially as they challenged the narrative and the lack of understanding about Islam and l where it figures in ME countries. I have experience in the ME (particularly Kuwait.

I think what people are worried about and have foreseen developing is the almost carbon copy Jews being dehumanised in countries and raging antisemitism not being dealt with.

saying there is bad in all faiths takes away from the fact this has been an ongoing pattern of behaviour. Also major atrocities like the ones you highlighting took place on home soil. Look at the ones you listed….. these were groups who were committed to violent change in their own countries. They didn’t travel to another continent in order to then eradicate a people who had been there living peacefully. This seems much bigger- otherwise why the ‘globalise the infitarda’

I wonder Even in the last twenties years how often terrorist events by non nationals are caused by radical Islamist’s?

@NewmumOct I don’t believe that either. Or most of the other carefully PRed bull that comes from Hamas )

No. It's a genocide.

You can't be serious that you 'actually believe this is a demonstration why Israel shouldn't exist'!
The constant Ill treatment of Jews for centuries is precisely why Israel exists for Jews (who share the country with Muslims, Christians and Druze who all have equal status). Israel going nowhere.
Sadly your naivety and lack of knowledge about Jews and their persecution is not helping this discourse.

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I can't think of a good reason. But go ahead and explain it to me.

Are Australians killing Palestinians in Gaza? Is Australia part of Israel?

There isn't a 'good' reason. You need to try to get into the mindset of people who are convinced that 'all Jews are bad'. People like this father and son.

That sneery "Jews are fair game because genocide, genocide, genocide" must surely embolden attacks like this and the recent one in Manchester. Odd how blind people are to the genocide that is playing out right under our noses.

I’m sorry, but why would anyone need to try and get into the mindset of those utter bastards?

If it was a genocide then far, far more people would have died. Civilians die in a war. It's tragic but it was not genocide.

That is incorrect. The number of people murdered is not the only indicator of a genocide.

Israel most certainly carried out a genocide in Gaza.

Wrong. It's a war.

Couldn't put it better myself!

Yes antisemetism is on the rise . It is dangerous this attack is completely antisemetic.
Yes Jews have been dehuminised for far too long. We have seen many many atrocities committed fuelled by antisemetism. We recently had an attack here in Manchester.

I hate it and for the most part we probably all want an end to all of this. No one should live in fear or worry.

My original posts were bring light to what i know of extremist muslim terrorist. What they believe? Who they are? etc.
I am in no denial that muslims kill. I am in no denial that there is extremist in my faith. I can talk about any muslim country openly today and critism there treatment of minorities within their countries. There is a genocide happening in Sudan right now. A muslim country. I will call it what it is a genocide. It is horrible and heartbreaking. But why can not say that there is a genocide in Palestine.

We can not have a debate, resolution, dialogue if we can not talk critism countries that are carrying out ethnic cleansing.

This attack in Australia was commited by an Australians. They did not travel to Austalia to commit this crime. They were probably influenced heavily by what is happening in Palestine.

We have to recognise evil for what it is. We have to be able to call out countries for their crimes. We have to be against mass murder, terrorism, genocide even if it is your own blood commiting these crimes.

Its called accountability. But i have just spent the last few minutes arguing with people denying Jews kill, Christians kill. Apparently the only murders on this earth were only ever Muslim. Come on, how will we ever have coexistence or peace if this is how some people think.

My stance is clear, xxxx any one who thinks they can take an innocent life. Period.

To try and stop others doing the same?

Their hate is too great.

I am not sure anything would stop them.

Better monitoring might help. Apparently one of them was known to authorities.

The world realised that radical Islam is a major problem when 9/11 happened. I don't think anyone has thought it isn't since then.

And yet governments in Western countries have allowed unfettered immigration from Muslim majority countries. And people are surprised that right wing governments are gaining popularity.

They are happy for their kids to be martyrs. There’s not much you can do about that.