Bondi beach mass shooting

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Just horrendous. There was a big Jewish gathering on the beach. Jewish festival goers targeted by two gunmen. At least ten people dead according to police.

Circa 70,000 killed (and that's just those accounted for) by the Israelis, targeting civilians, openly celebrating and posting videos of it online, with no reprimand from Israeli authorities who obviously endorse it, makes it a genocide.

I dare any apologist of the Gaza massacre defend this, a sniper shooting dead a 19 year old trying to retrieve the body of his dead brother laid out on the street, and the Jewish sniper's response to his act of inhumanity.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-family-torn-apart-by-idf-snipers-from-chicago-and-munich

Five-month investigation reveals how four members of one family were shot and killed in a single day and highlights a pattern in which Israeli troops target unarmed civilians

Hoda Osman and Emma Graham-Harrison
Tue 9 Sep 2025 16.50 BST

Daniel Raab shows no hesitation as he watches footage of 19-year-old Salem Doghmosh crumpling to the ground beside his brother in a street in northern Gaza.

“That was my first elimination,” he says. The video, shot by a drone, lasts just a few seconds. The Palestinian teenager appears to be unarmed when he is shot in the head.

Raab, a former varsity basketball player from a Chicago suburb who became an Israeli sniper, concedes he knew that. He says he shot Salem simply because he tried to retrieve the body of his beloved older brother Mohammed.

“It’s hard for me to understand why he [did that] and it also doesn’t really interest me,” Raab says in a video interview posted on X. “I mean, what was so important about that corpse?”

A five-month investigation by the Guardian, Arab Reporters for Investigative Journalism (ARIJ) and Paper Trail Media, Der Spiegel and ZDF has identified six people shot by Israeli snipers on 22 November 2023. And through interviews with survivors, witnesses and relatives, reviews of death certificates, medical records and geolocated images we revealed how a family from Gaza City’s Tal al-Hawa neighbourhood was torn apart in a few hours by men who grew up in Naperville, Illinois and Munich, Germany.

Israeli snipers killed four members of the Doghmosh family that day, and injured two others. Their story illuminates patterns of killing by Israeli troops, who have repeatedly treated unarmed men between 18 and 40 in Gaza as targets.

If Isrsel shouldn't exist, what do you you think should happen to it? And the millions of people who live there?

But the whole point is, Jews generally do not want to kill. They were invaded by murderous Gazans who raped, tortured and starved innocent kids at a festival and they responded to defend their country.

I belong to a people who were murdered, massacred, ethnically cleansed and genocided.

I don't think that gives us the right to randomly shoot innocent people who happen to be of the same religion as the perpetrators of the war crimes committed against us.

If we did - watch out, Anglicans.

Seriously what the hell is wrong with you. Go start your own thread.

Appalling terrorist, so much hate and anti semitism

The obvious response is " Muslims generally do want to kill..."

This is the rhetoric that is manipluated by extremists on both sides to justify the use of violence. Its getting worse because of the new technology that only shows you videos/posts similar to those you engage with.

The issue is the extremist leaders weaponising the actions of other extremists.

A girl, 10, is among those killed. The oldest person to have died is believed to be a man aged 87. Rabbi and father-of-five Eli Schlanger, 41, French national Dan Elkayam, in his 20s, Holocaust survivor Alex Kleytman, and businessman Reuven Morrison, are among the dead. Two police officers, a constable and probationary constable, sustained gunshot wounds. They are both in a serious but stable condition.

Even after the atrocity in Australia, pro-Palestinian protestors have been causing trouble in Amsterdam at Hanukkah celebrations. It's time these people were shut down.

Reading this thread I am saddened, but sadly not shocked, by the people who minimise this horrific attack and the fear felt by the Jewish community, both locally and world wide, as well as those who attempt to justify what cannot be justified.

There is a huge problem with Islamists, and we need to acknowledge and tackle this. We also need to acknowledge and tackle how we are allowing Jew hatred to spiral in Western countries.

Did you think they would call off their demonstration out of respect? Unlikely.

The ICJ will decide
Not anyone on mumsnet, any Government or Israel

When Israel submit their legal documents in January, on the assumption they don’t request another extension, then we will be nearer a decision
As it is they have confirmed it is plausible that Israel are committing a genocide

I guess many countries could use this similar arguement to defend genocide.You killed us first so i know, we will just start wiping you all out.

Why don't they target Hamas only? Let me guess hamas are using Palestinians as human shields.

I live in a country with gun control and there are still suicides, drunken anger and domestic assaults, although obviously not as many as if there were no controls in place. A lot of people have guns for legitimate reasons, and I read that one of the gunmen yesterday had a firearms licence.

Unfortunately, there are mumsnetters here who do believe that if they say it is war. Then it is a war and no one can mention the word genocide. I believe someone even said its antisemetic.

Its sad really

Horrible news. Totally surreal looking at the footage, normality pierced with bullets.

From my observation people who are the part of any diaspora (forced or otherwise) are always treated as outsiders in any land they end up in. This is not an excuse or justification for the pogroms or the holocaust, but anti-immigration/semitism/islam etc.. senitment always increases massively during a recession, famine etc.. It is my opinion that creating a country designated for that particular group of "outsiders" doesn't actually solves the problem, but shifts in to a group of people that had nothing to do with the issue in the first place and is at risk of intensify the anti sentiment.

The reason I bring this up as I want the focus firmly to be on the extremist leaders who bend and twist the narrative that forces people to think that the only solution is war or murder. Muslims weren't responsible for this horrific act, Jews weren't responsible either, neither were Australians. The only people responsible for this murder were the people who a) chose to shoot people just because they happened to be Jewish and b) supported this idea. Who they happened to have worshiped or the nation they were born in are not at all relevant.

To answer your point, I have these opinions based on my knowledge and understanding of the situation. You are judging that I am not educated on the situation as a result of me having a different opinion from you. I do not judge you for that, as if you are either jewish or zion-adjacent then your opinion will differ from mine and I acknowledge that you are understandbly feeling threatened.

Exactly its a reduction method not an emlimation method.

We know that humans will always try and kill each other, we know that the damage is so much worse with guns so by having control of guns we can reduce it.

"Naveed Akram, 24, and his father Sajid Akram, 50, killed at least 15 people yesterday evening when they opened fire on the Chanukah by the Sea event.
The ABC understands investigators from the Joint Counter Terrorism Team (JCTT) believe the gunmen had pledged allegiance to the IS terrorist group.
An IS flag was found in the men's car at Bondi Beach, according to a senior JCTT official, speaking on condition of anonymity."

www.abc.net.au/news/2025-12-15/bondi-beach-shooting-terrorist-attack/106142446#live-blog-post-246149

Can I ask for the definition of the genocide that you are using and why you think that it is genocide not war?

She was giving her opinion of the Israeli government's actions in Israel. She absolutely was NOT coming close to saying that Jewish people deserve to die, not in Israel or in Australia. Putting terrible words in someone's mouth is very inflammatory and we should not be doing that.

Oh fuck... it means that there is a possibility that there are more of them. I was hoping it was going to be some derranged lone wolf situation.

fuck.

Just Anglicans, or anyone considered infidel? And how would anyone recognise an Anglican?

@reallyneedareset Here is some information about the roots of the conflict, written for those who feel they don't know enough about it. I have found this primer from the BBC to be quite helpful.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgr71z0jp4o

In terms of your question about just why the Jewish people have been persecuted, well, it's a hate that goes back more two and half thousand years. I've seen it called the world's oldest hate. Many Jews were exiled to Babylon in 586 BC. There was anti-Semitism before that, of course. I'm not sure that anyone really knows exactly when or why it started.

ETA: Of course, there is no actual reasonable reason why Jewish people have been historically persecuted, except good old-fashioned evil, in my opinion. "Reasons" put forward for anti-Semitism in Europe pre-WW II - and Britain was also anti-Semitic along with the Continent - is that Jewish people are different; that they are close-knit; that they have been successful despite all the indignities that have always been heaped upon them. I've sure there's a lot of envy involved.

Of course, none of these things are reasons. It's just pure hate and an intolerance of difference. That and huge bust-ups over land - which again, goes back to pure hate, with people not wanting Jewish people in "their" countries.

Asterisk: I gather by "different" the writer of the material I was reading meant that Jewish religious rites, customs, foods, and celebrations were/are different from other religions. (A few years ago I was googling these things, wondering just WHY Jewish people have been so persecuted. Turns out, no reason except pure evil, hate, and intolerance of difference.)

P.S. Sorry, I didn't mean to quote my own long post again. Can't seem to fix it.