Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Labour isn't working - Thread 23

991 replies

TheNuthatch · 03/12/2025 14:58

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5450671-labour-isnt-working-thread-22?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Labour isn't working - Thread 22 | Mumsnet

A chat thread for those who *don't* like this Labour government. 💙 ^The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's mone...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5450671-labour-isnt-working-thread-22

OP posts:
Thread gallery
63
Prometheus78 · 21/12/2025 14:08

Julen7 · 21/12/2025 13:51

800 migrants arrived by boat yesterday, highest ever tally for a day in December.

Another one of Starmer’s policy successes...

justasking111 · 21/12/2025 14:49

Prometheus78 · 21/12/2025 13:11

Agree.

He’s a tiny man masquerading as a big one.

But like Khan he tolerates no dissention. He's got three more years unless he bans general elections to plough through and force his parties wishes on us. They haven't ruled out more tax rises next year. This is levelling out on an enormous scale

I don't believe it's limited to the UK either.

Prometheus78 · 21/12/2025 15:14

justasking111 · 21/12/2025 14:49

But like Khan he tolerates no dissention. He's got three more years unless he bans general elections to plough through and force his parties wishes on us. They haven't ruled out more tax rises next year. This is levelling out on an enormous scale

I don't believe it's limited to the UK either.

Yes, but I am of the belief that matters will come to a head prior to the expiration of the remainder of this parliament.

What and how that manifests itself, I am not certain, but would suggest a deteriorating economy including rising unemployment, as well as civil disobedience resulting from mass immigration, increasing taxation, the cost of living, declining public services, government infighting/backbench rebellions etc.

Sadly, we all have to live through this in the interim, as you say.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

Julen7 · 21/12/2025 16:21

Prometheus78 · 21/12/2025 15:14

Yes, but I am of the belief that matters will come to a head prior to the expiration of the remainder of this parliament.

What and how that manifests itself, I am not certain, but would suggest a deteriorating economy including rising unemployment, as well as civil disobedience resulting from mass immigration, increasing taxation, the cost of living, declining public services, government infighting/backbench rebellions etc.

Sadly, we all have to live through this in the interim, as you say.

I hope you’re right. I have had a real bout of melancholy today about it all, I can’t ever remember feeling this way about politics. I can’t even talk about how I feel except on here.

Prometheus78 · 21/12/2025 16:27

Julen7 · 21/12/2025 16:21

I hope you’re right. I have had a real bout of melancholy today about it all, I can’t ever remember feeling this way about politics. I can’t even talk about how I feel except on here.

Genuinely sorry to hear that @Julen7

Increasing numbers of people feel the way you do - not just on MN. This too shall pass. When I feel blue, I remind myself that Starmer and Reeves are merely cosmic dandruff…

Stay strong!

Parsley4321 · 21/12/2025 16:42

Yes I feal melancholic too quite joyless I d always believed the government would do right by Britain now I don’t believe that we are actively being decimated our way of life and beliefs by these power crazy lunatics

EasternStandard · 21/12/2025 17:22

Prometheus78 · 21/12/2025 16:27

Genuinely sorry to hear that @Julen7

Increasing numbers of people feel the way you do - not just on MN. This too shall pass. When I feel blue, I remind myself that Starmer and Reeves are merely cosmic dandruff…

Stay strong!

Cosmic dandruff. Love that

I try to block them out but my IG thinks I want to see Starmer’s mug. Labour really are the worst.

Sending love to anyone feeling a bit gloomy on this winter solstice, which I actually do like.

Upstartled · 21/12/2025 17:29

Part of the reason why we have Labour turning the screw is because they are acutely aware that the electorate are ready to hand them their arse and has the power to do so - in the Senedd, the local elections, the Scottish parliament - and on and on it will go until they are obliterated entirely.

In many respects, we're a tolerant and fair nation but that is built on the presumption of not taking the piss. Hop to the front of any orderly queue to see what first looks like apathetic conformity is a carefully monitored contract of fairness ready to spring into action.

It looks hopeless right now because we all look like we're just stood around waiting for the bus to arrive. But listen carefully for the heavy tutting and you'll see that we can be hopeful that all of this is being noted. Hang on in there, May will be a turning point.

Upstartled · 21/12/2025 17:39

And if that isn't convincing enough to offer a bit of hope, we are at least over dark night hump day!

EasternStandard · 21/12/2025 17:47

Upstartled · 21/12/2025 17:29

Part of the reason why we have Labour turning the screw is because they are acutely aware that the electorate are ready to hand them their arse and has the power to do so - in the Senedd, the local elections, the Scottish parliament - and on and on it will go until they are obliterated entirely.

In many respects, we're a tolerant and fair nation but that is built on the presumption of not taking the piss. Hop to the front of any orderly queue to see what first looks like apathetic conformity is a carefully monitored contract of fairness ready to spring into action.

It looks hopeless right now because we all look like we're just stood around waiting for the bus to arrive. But listen carefully for the heavy tutting and you'll see that we can be hopeful that all of this is being noted. Hang on in there, May will be a turning point.

Absolutely, well articulated

DancingFerret · 21/12/2025 17:55

I.N.T.E.G.R.I.T.Y. There you go, Labour, I spelt it for you. Now go and find out what it means, because right now it seems none of you has ever heard the word.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d30c280c2fdc0089

Starmer peer lied about her PhD

Tory chairman tells PM to show ‘backbone’ and suspend whip from Ann Limb

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/d30c280c2fdc0089

CruCru · 21/12/2025 18:07

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9y20j259o

Have Labour not spent enough time on hunting? Is this really a priority? A huge number of riders (and all the hounds) have never lived at a time where hunting with hounds is legal.

A photograph of several people on horseback behind a pack of dogs.

Trail hunting to be banned as part of new animal welfare strategy

The government says the practice is being used as a "smokescreen" for the hunting of wild animals.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9y20j259o

redange · 21/12/2025 18:17

listening to GB News on the Radio earlier . James Schneider ex Labour Party advisor to Corbyn stated in response that Reeves is the worst Chancellor ever, responded saying that George Osborne was. Where, do they get there ideas from, for the record do not particularly like Osborne 'Who I Knew quite well' due to living previously in Tatton and being active in North West Conservative Politics. Schneider came back with some nonsense about young people being 'Shorter' and dying younger due to the so called 'Austerity' What Austerity. I presume therefore trying to live within your Economic circumstances is Austerity. For, the record around 2010-2015 the Country was doing quite well considering in 2008 we had the Sub Prime Credit disaster . The, downturn appeared to be short lived, shops were busy restaurants full and people felt they could freely express themselves.

The, problem is posters on the left actually, believe that the only thing that is wrong with this Government is that they are acting to slowly . Schneider, suggested that Reeves is following 'Osborne's' narrative, and Surprise, Surprise demands Tax the Super Rich, which in his mind anyone living in a 4 Bedroom House.

This, underlines the issues we face with the 'rampant' left in society, on here there is a post on here: 'What will Life be like under a Reform Government' as some apocalyptic collapse is going to happen to their way of life. Oh wait what about loss of the Economy , Loss of presumption of Innocent to Proven Guilty , Freedom to Express controversial opinions (Which most were mainstream ten years ago). Cancellation of Elections for the second time, ensuring nobody can have any representation towards those now un- elected and squatting in local Government. Destruction of the Farming Industry which of course will mean greater food costs, for the 'poorest' in Society. The, deliberate actions of the Labour Government, to close Local Private Schools, in order to make 'Public Schools' more exclusive. This, in order to bring in to line those 'ordinary' people who dared believe their children did not have to enter the local 'Indoctrination' Factory. This, highlighted, by the 'actually quite good' though totally fabricated Adolescence. Lower Middle Class White Boys from Merseyside with Builders as fathers are not the most likely to 'knife' Girls. Again this narrative was particularly useful for Starmer and the indoctrination opportunities, available especially after every non Labour Supporting White Working Class man from Southport is a Right Wing Extremist.

The real story about how life will be under a Reform Government is hugely better than currently it is. That.is assuming we have anything left to salvage . No Economy, No Society and no hope for future generations. That is where we are headed if we have to wait another 3.5 years for a chance of salvaging what we can. This, means we as 'Conservative's' have to work in unison not against each other in 'tribal' and petty ways. Kemi Badenoch needs to have a role in Government, even under a Majority Reform Government. in this case lets hope that Farage would offer her a role and that Kemi would put 'bitterness' and pride to the side for the state of the United Kingdom.

redange · 21/12/2025 18:20

Sorry quite a few grammatical mistakes due to being passionate..

Prometheus78 · 21/12/2025 18:22

Upstartled · 21/12/2025 17:29

Part of the reason why we have Labour turning the screw is because they are acutely aware that the electorate are ready to hand them their arse and has the power to do so - in the Senedd, the local elections, the Scottish parliament - and on and on it will go until they are obliterated entirely.

In many respects, we're a tolerant and fair nation but that is built on the presumption of not taking the piss. Hop to the front of any orderly queue to see what first looks like apathetic conformity is a carefully monitored contract of fairness ready to spring into action.

It looks hopeless right now because we all look like we're just stood around waiting for the bus to arrive. But listen carefully for the heavy tutting and you'll see that we can be hopeful that all of this is being noted. Hang on in there, May will be a turning point.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Julen7 · 21/12/2025 18:30

There was a thread earlier (which seems to have been pulled now) suggesting that Starmer might use the same tactics to delay a General Election as he is doing to delay local elections. It ended in a pile on but as far as I could see no one suggested that he would not be permitted to do this. Anyone any thoughts?

Stilish · 21/12/2025 18:31

CruCru · 21/12/2025 18:07

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g9y20j259o

Have Labour not spent enough time on hunting? Is this really a priority? A huge number of riders (and all the hounds) have never lived at a time where hunting with hounds is legal.

It is all part of their hatred and bitterness for the countryside in general.

Trail hunting - that’s TRAIL hunting, not fox hunting - is the backbone of our rural community. It’s how we see each other every Saturday through the dreary tough winter months of farming. It’s how we socialise and support each other. It provides employment and a vessel for the coming together generations of knowledge of the countryside and wildlife.

Starmer and Reeves just hate the countryside and want to punish us. They’re vile.

CruCru · 21/12/2025 18:36

I actually suspect that they know there is no chance they’ll get reelected. So they might as well push through all their manifesto / fever dream ideas while they are in.

justasking111 · 21/12/2025 18:53

Stilish · 21/12/2025 18:31

It is all part of their hatred and bitterness for the countryside in general.

Trail hunting - that’s TRAIL hunting, not fox hunting - is the backbone of our rural community. It’s how we see each other every Saturday through the dreary tough winter months of farming. It’s how we socialise and support each other. It provides employment and a vessel for the coming together generations of knowledge of the countryside and wildlife.

Starmer and Reeves just hate the countryside and want to punish us. They’re vile.

Northern Ireland threw it out almost unanimously DH has just said. Good for them.

Upstartled · 21/12/2025 19:08

Julen7 · 21/12/2025 18:30

There was a thread earlier (which seems to have been pulled now) suggesting that Starmer might use the same tactics to delay a General Election as he is doing to delay local elections. It ended in a pile on but as far as I could see no one suggested that he would not be permitted to do this. Anyone any thoughts?

The ceiling of five years is baked in to law. To tinker with that would require new legislature to be passed and it would never get through the commons, let alone the Lords. And even a realistic whiff of it would see the markets lose their shit.

TheNuthatch · 21/12/2025 19:25

Julen7 · 21/12/2025 18:30

There was a thread earlier (which seems to have been pulled now) suggesting that Starmer might use the same tactics to delay a General Election as he is doing to delay local elections. It ended in a pile on but as far as I could see no one suggested that he would not be permitted to do this. Anyone any thoughts?

I had Trevor Phillips on in the background this morning. He was interviewing Labour chair Anna Turley, and he asked her this same question.
I wasn't fully listening, by my ears pricked up when Phillips asked her if there would definitely be an election in 2029, and she failed to answer initially.
He then said something about if the govt reformed the HoL (which they are doing), that would give them a political excuse to delay the election. Something to do with getting rid of hereditary peers.
Turley was swerving, which I found alarming. She eventually said that there were "no changes to the plan for a general election". It took far too much encouragement to get that out of her for my liking, and her wording was interesting.

OP posts:
DancingFerret · 21/12/2025 19:29

TheNuthatch · 21/12/2025 19:25

I had Trevor Phillips on in the background this morning. He was interviewing Labour chair Anna Turley, and he asked her this same question.
I wasn't fully listening, by my ears pricked up when Phillips asked her if there would definitely be an election in 2029, and she failed to answer initially.
He then said something about if the govt reformed the HoL (which they are doing), that would give them a political excuse to delay the election. Something to do with getting rid of hereditary peers.
Turley was swerving, which I found alarming. She eventually said that there were "no changes to the plan for a general election". It took far too much encouragement to get that out of her for my liking, and her wording was interesting.

Without a GE, how does the public eject them?

TheNuthatch · 21/12/2025 19:33

DancingFerret · 21/12/2025 19:29

Without a GE, how does the public eject them?

I don't know. I suppose we can't?

I find it alarming that - a) journos are even asking the question, and b) that Turley didn't/couldn't immediately dismiss it.

OP posts:
Julen7 · 21/12/2025 19:35

TheNuthatch · 21/12/2025 19:25

I had Trevor Phillips on in the background this morning. He was interviewing Labour chair Anna Turley, and he asked her this same question.
I wasn't fully listening, by my ears pricked up when Phillips asked her if there would definitely be an election in 2029, and she failed to answer initially.
He then said something about if the govt reformed the HoL (which they are doing), that would give them a political excuse to delay the election. Something to do with getting rid of hereditary peers.
Turley was swerving, which I found alarming. She eventually said that there were "no changes to the plan for a general election". It took far too much encouragement to get that out of her for my liking, and her wording was interesting.

Yes I think this is what the OP had listened to as she mentioned Anna Turley’s refusal to answer the question and then finally she sort of skirted round it. I bet nearer the time there will be some creative thinking in the Labour Party.

redange · 21/12/2025 19:43

I think there will be an Election before 2029. However, with this lot it could require Can't Pay Well Take it Away' TV Debt Collectors. Though, in their case it is more likely to need the SAS as seen on TV 1980 at 16 Princes Gate Kensington to remove them !