Caroline Flack - she was so let down

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Just watched the documentary, it’s so sad. She was treated so awfully by the press and police.

I feel so bad for her mum and friends and family 😢

Oh the irony!

She groomed a child into a sexual relationship .

Weird hill to die on, defending her.

Be kind @Greyrock2828

And you absolutely wouldn’t be saying the same if it was Lewis that did the same to Caroline.

I’m also thinking the documentary has been a bit of an own goal for her mother. I think it’s made a lot of people more angry by the twisting and defensiveness…the opposite of what she set out to achieve.

Absolutely agree.

In short, she was a bit mentals. She poured drink and drugs on that. Boyfriend was an arsehole and she overreacted in an absolutely dire way due to the previous 2 points. Press jumped on it as she was in the public eye. End of.

@Greyrock2828 You still havent responded to my points - here they are again:

You said he was cheating on her - he wasnt. The messages CF got furious about were from a tennis client and not cheating. In her unstable state she completely misinterpreted those texts

You said CF was betrayed by him leaking the photos - zero evidence of this. In fact, he has never once said anything remotely negative about CF despite her assaulting him.

You said he has shacked up with a woman he is "sponging" off- what, you mean his WIFE that he now has children with? so, you know what their financial situation is then I presume and have seen their bank accounts? 🙄

You are calling out spreading lies about people but seem perfectly happy to do it to others yourself which to me, is the very definition of hypocrisy 🤷‍♀️

All these "facts" you got blatantly incorrect about him so pardon me if I dont believe this half arsed story you spout about him borrowing money off CF - you got literally all of the above info wrong so why should we believe you about this- you simply arent an accurate source of info I'm afraid.

Hilarious that you are now resorting to the insult of "troll" just because loads of people on this thread dont agree with you 😂

When you start throwing out personal insults, I'm afraid its a sign you've lost all credibility

I tried to watch the documentary but found it too willing to glide over the trickier parts of CF's story.

We're told in the first episode she had anxiety and depression from adolescence and would self-harm when they ended. That is extreme behaviour but they give no context or further explanation about it. Did something happen in her childhood or early teen years? Did her family get her help? Did she experience trauma? It feels like there's something missing in the story that the family don't want to acknowledge. There's a quick shot of Harry Styles but no acknowledgement about the criticism of the huge age gap between them. Then her mum works very hard to minimise the assault, at which point I stopped watching because it felt untrustworthy.

It's awful for her mum and her family but I think it would be healthier for them if they were able to acknowledge that Caroline's complex mental health history made her very high risk and stopped looking to blame other people. I feel for her friends who sound like they did their absolute best.

Interesting

the photos of the scene looked serious in the press

she was at high risk for suicide due to attempts before - her family would have known that

I don’t see how the police couldn’t have prosecuted - If a man was given a caution for what happened we would be up in arms

the point of prosecuting even though victim didn’t want this is that it’s a public safety issue - to give the perpetrator a boundary about their behaviour In the hope it will desist in the future so others won’t be on the end of it..

i don’t know why she pleaded not guilty, putting herself in position of going to public trial

Completely agree.

Typical abuser; assaults partner and then harms herself to stop him leaving/calling police

yes I’ve read it’s quite common to try and nullify their action

We don't know that the BF was an arsehole.
There is only speculation that he must have been and that comes very close to victim blaming.

I suppose we were all shocked to learn that Caroline Flack was the perpetrator. It is disingenuous to think that her fame wouldn’t affect our reaction. If we heard that Kate Middleton had attacked Prince William as he slept we would all go crazy.

The information we received from the tabloids was misleading but even if they had reported the truth of what happened to a celebrity like Flack would still have been shocking to most of us. We hear so much about male violence. Female violence is still unusual.

Flack’s behaviour when she was mentally ill would probably have come to light at some point.

I watched the documentary at the weekend. I can’t imagine how hard it must be to lose someone you love in this way but I can imagine all the ‘what ifs’ that would go through your head. That’s what I thought this documentary was looking at.

I didn’t get the feeling her mum was blaming anyone specifically or saying what her daughter did wasn’t wrong. She was questioning whether things would have been handled differently if her daughter hadn’t been famous, which I think is a fair question to ask but sadly one that is impossible to answer. However, she did put forward a compelling case, I thought.

The discussion with the journalist was really illuminating with regards to the photo of the blood stained bedroom that the press got hold of and how they didn’t make any attempts to verify whose blood it was before printing it on the front page. It exposed a culture of “Don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story” which I think is important for people who consume this type of media to be aware of.

My take away from the documentary was that CF had serious mental health issues that she was afraid to label/diagnose/treat for fear that it would shut down her career which was the only thing that helped her through her struggles.

If the tabloids had reported that it was Caroline’s blood on the bed, I do personally think that would have changed the public’s opinion somewhat. It’s absolutely disgusting that they printed the photo in the first place but to then mislead readers that the blood was the result of the injury Caroline inflicted on her boyfriend just fuelled more public outrage towards her than she was already getting. This was the part of the documentary that shocked me the most.

I am not sure that it would have turned the tide of public opinion. She inflicted harm on herself after hitting the boyfriend. Her mental health was exposed and people would probably have speculated about that. The only thing that would have prevented the spiral out of control was if they hadn’t published the photo. Even then I am not convinced that she would not have spiralled at some point. She was very ill and used her showbiz career to self soothe/medicate. Showbiz is precarious. She may have used relationships to media
cate her condition too but her relationships didn’t last which also seems to have made her spiral.

The Sun should definitely apologise for publishing the photo but I am not sure what that would achieve. She needed effective mental health treatment. Many on here have said she should have checked into the Priory. Had she done that the narrative would have been very different and she might have been able to use her celebrity to help others who suffer.

it is unbelievably sad. Sad too that her friends and family will mourn this for the rest of their lives.

Has anyone read her autobio? Storm in a C cup?

She explains relationship with Harry Styles etc & seems very together & stable at time of writing. Of course we can never really know but it feels very honest.

She explains it? How?

She was questioning whether things would have been handled differently if her daughter hadn’t been famous, which I think is a fair question to ask but sadly one that is impossible to answer.

She'd have been prosecuted, her victim would have got on with his life without being chased around by reporters or having internet randoms pontificating about how terrible a person he was and probably deserved it and the only difference would have been that her mother would be telling people she knows instead of getting a TV show about her version of events.

She has a lot to say about it. “In the entertainment industry nobody asks what age you are any more than how many A levels you’ve got they’re both irrelevant. I never felt I was much older than Harry and probably act that way half the time - all those years in kids’ telly probably didn’t help.”

The harassment she faced was next level.

How is this any different to any other predator saying how “mature” their teenage “partners” are?

So physical attacks are OK as long as a) a woman attacks a man and b) she doesn't draw blood.
If any topic demonstrates the hypocrisy of MN it's this one. It was sad that any person takes their own life but I really cannot fathom the reaction to this woman's action.

Are you serious? He was a literal schoolboy. I honestly cannot believe people fall for this, Jesus Christ. He was SIXTEEN she was THIRTY ONE. That is absolutely abhorrent and disgusting and inexcusable.

I presume you’re rage baiting because surely nobody looks at those facts and thinks she wasn’t a predator.

The second question in his audition was how old are you? He said 16 and the crowd Ahhhhed because HE WAS A CHILD.

on Xtra Fsctor they talked constantly about how he was the baby of the group etc etc etc.

Maybe and we’ll never know but the original CPS decision was not to prosecute and she was just going to get a caution. This was then appealed, which arguably may not have happened if there weren’t notes on the file saying that she was a celebrity. The documentary explores this hypothesis and one interviewee says the police may have used this high profile case as an opportunity to show that they take domestic violence seriously.