Caroline Flack - she was so let down

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Just watched the documentary, it’s so sad. She was treated so awfully by the press and police.

I feel so bad for her mum and friends and family 😢

It’s ironic that you tell people off for being nasty while you come across as quite nasty yourself. I just pointed out the common sense approach that if you see a thread about a loved one especially someone with the background she did that you have agency not to click on that thread. It’s the internet, people say all kinds of things. Pointing out that reality does not mean I’m justifying everything said on the internet.

She not only hit him, she hit him with a weapon.

She not only hit him, she hit him with a weapon.

Her mother chose to make the documentary which really invited replies. Why should she be able to say what she wants with no one allowed to reply?

They said in their official statement in 2019 that he was treated at the scene - you don't know and I don't know exactly what that means

Didn't her mother blame people in the documentary?

As a survivor of abuse, I found the way that they minimised her actions in the documentary to be incredibly offensive.

Although Cheryl is undoubtedly questionable for dating such a youngster - she is also an example of a celebrity who successfully rehabilitated herself after she was was convicted of assaulting a nightclub toilet attendant in 2003.

CF seemed to have a lot of issues, drink, drugs, behaviour etc and it's sad that she never got help.

I'm not sure why she didn't plead guilty to avoid the court case. Or she might have managed to do a Katie Price and get the charges dropped/reduced if she had entered mh treatment. I also never understood why she chose to attend court in a skirt that barely (if at all) covered her butt - it was oddly "stroppy teen" attention seeking behaviour from a 40 year old woman.

DP broke three bones in his foot when he dropped his phone getting it out of his pocket The same phone has bounced without shattering when dropped from chest height onto a concrete floor.

He now has a case with soft bumpers on the corners because the force exerted purely by the acceleration from gravity over about 2 and a half foot was enough to break perfectly healthy bones.

Try putting some effort into swinging a corner/edge of a phone, which may have been in a solid/reinforced with metal case and aim it directly at a single spot on the skull or the face. You'll find it would involve exerting significantly greater force upon a targeted area, especially with the followthrough, compared to a fist/knuckles (and the force exerted by those is sufficient that boxers have to wear padded gloves and tape the entire hand, even if it were for just one punch).

Add onto it that the victim was asleep and completely unaware, unable to take evasive action and by laying down, had no way of his head moving back any further, meaning that there was nothing to mitigate the force exerted on the part of the skull that she hit him on as he was utterly vulnerable and defenceless because he was asleep. It was fortunate for him and pure luck, in fact, that he didn't end up with a skull fracture.

That's a significant act of violence.

I think she plead not guilty because she hoped that the case against her would be dropped and she could walk away without taking accountability or being convicted. Once she realised she would have to either take accountability or go through a trial she spiralled.

As for the outfit - this was covered in the documentary. She was staying in a hotel due to press at her home and called her friends incoherent. When they arrived she had drunk all the alcohol in her room and taken a load of pills. They called a doctor as they were too fearful of taking her to the hospital in case it was picked up by the press. They induced vomiting. She had no clean clothes at the hotel so they cobbled together an outfit from the clothes they were wearing. She attended court having had barely any sleep and recovering from the evening before.

NOPE, blaming innocent people for someone's suicide is utterly vile and thats exactly what her mother did. You cannot do that and just expect everyone to agree with you meekly and not challenge it.

She made a tv programme about it so of course people are going to discuss it- what did she expect?

So her blaming the police for her daughter's suicide which is a completely natural response after your child has died. Gives a load of random people on the internet the right to start slagging her daughter off. This is just like the jay slater case a bunch of Internet bullies and trolls making a families worst time of there life even worse instead of keeping there opinions to themselves they have ti keep sticking the boot in.

Exactly and sympathies to your husband, I broke one bone in my foot and it was agony and took ages to heal.

Are you part of her family?
Your objectivity is really compromised on this one.

Maybe it was legal advice from a solicitor.

No, I am not referring to the police, I am referring to her blaming Caroline's friends for daring to leave her alone for a short period of time when one of her friends had a child to look after and could not make babysitting a 40 year old woman her life's priority. I am referring to her blaming Lewis for it and trying to make out that it was his fault.

If you start trying to pin blame on innocent people then yes, I am sorry but people will react to that. Where was her mother during suicide watch?

Also,

Blaming the police for investigating a violent offence won’t garner much sympathy or silence either.

Yeah, true.

I am wondering in all of this, why none of her family contacted any mental health services or called an ambulance for her if she was as actively suicidal as has been implied. It's ridiculous to expect her friends to watch her 24/7 or to expect her friends to even know how to help her in a mental health crisis- they arent therapists or trained mental health professionals.

@ooohthatsanicefondantfancy presumably you've never contacted mental health services or called for an ambulance when someone has been having a severe mental health crisis. I have and I can tell you it is incredibly difficult to access those services when you need them because of the state of the NHS and lack of resource. I had a close relative who was suicidal, in the middle of a severe mental breakdown in which they lost their mind. We went to the GP (prescribed antidepressants which obviously didnt work given the severity of the case) went to A&E multiple times to try to get them admitted only to be told the threshold was much higher - and that the patient wouldn't want to be admitted because the psych ward is full of "people you don't want to be around" and we were sent home and eventually referred to the mental health crisis team who would turn up on a daily basis at home. But that still meant someone had to be with the relative to stop them from committing suicide. So that is the reality. In our local area in the UK, ambulances don't turn up for people who are having strokes let alone mental health issues.

I am still horrified by the lack of compassion, the black and white thinking and the level of vitriol on this thread. I know plenty of people who have made terrible mistakes because after all, people are human and I truly don't believe anyone should be made to feel the way Caroline did over one reckless mistake. From personal experience I have a family friend who's son took his own life whilst at university. Why did he do it? Because he had slept with a girl at his uni and made a joke about it to his friends on a private social media chat. That private chat was shared across the whole school and he was given a suspension at uni and vilified by his peers. He was so worried he would be kicked out of uni, and that fear compounded with the loss of friends led him to think he was better off dead. It's horrifying. People make mistakes, it's part of life and it's how people grow. Getting it wrong is part of life. Caroline admitted fault from the beginning but the actual events that took place that night were completely misreported by the media and by the police and to her detriment, it became a media circus. She was betrayed by her boyfriend, by the person who sold the photo of the blood in her flat, by the police who ignored her clear mental health crisis. It does not justify what she did but there is context to what happened which has been glossed over- It was an argument between two drunken lovers gone terribly wrong, an isolated incident that they should have been able to move on from.

She assaulted her partner. Either domestic abuse is wrong or it’s not. 🙄

Think about what you’re actually saying here. You’re saying no one should ever make a joke, complain, slag off, accuse, offend, just in case that person goes on to kill themselves.

You can’t expect people to accept that level of responsibility for others.

The NHS is stretched because of the sheer number of people needing mental health support increasing year upon year. I don’t know what the solution to this is. But I know it’s definitely not to stop speaking about abuse or crimes etc.

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Caroline admitted fault from the beginning but the actual events that took place that night were completely misreported by the media and by the police and to her detriment, it became a media circus. She was betrayed by her boyfriend, by the person who sold the photo of the blood in her flat, by the police who ignored her clear mental health crisis. It does not justify what she did but there is context to what happened which has been glossed over- It was an argument between two drunken lovers gone terribly wrong, an isolated incident that they should have been able to move on from.

If Caroline had admitted fault from the beginning then she probably would have come away with a caution.

How was she betrayed by her BF?
the texts where not from someone else that he was seeing, so was she betrayed because he didn't take the beating that she wanted to give him?

In the end Caroline made a lot of poor decisions/mistakes.
People need to stop trying to push those decisions/mistakes on to other people.

@FrippEnos she admitted what she had done on the body came footage when the police came to the flat, she says I did it.

She was betrayed by her boyfriend sending inappropriate messages to another woman which appeared he was cheating on her. She was also betrayed by her boyfriend who leaked the photo of the blood on the floor of the flat, either it was him who leaked it or his friend.

At no point has he come forward to share his version of what happened. Just shacked up with the next woman he could sponge off.

@Thedevilhasfinallycaughtupwithhim I'm not sure what tangent you've gone off on tonight. Was that response for someone else. It's doesn't make any sense in relation to my post.

Besides that yes I do think people should try to be kinder to others and empathetic, treat others with compassion. But I know that's an alien concept to you so I wouldn't expect you to understand.