Thread 37 Starmer: pinko commie slimeball

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I just wish the budget would hurry up. The endless speculation is tedious. Whatever is in it will cause a shitstorm one way or another. Get it over and done with. Next time, don't delay the bloody thing.

Totally agree @PandoraSocks not quite sure why they announced the budget as early as they did.
However, i think the right wing media would still have thrown out just as many tax scare stories as they have done already.

Some are quite frankly ludicrous.

From the Guardian.

"No 10 says Starmer has been told by Downing Street staff that none of them briefed against Streeting
Keir Starmer has been told by his No 10 staff that none of them were involved in briefing against Wes Streeting, Downing Street said this morning.

He has also told them that briefing against cabinet ministers is “completely unacceptable”.

At the lobby briefing this morning, the PM’s spokesperson said:

The prime minister has this morning gathered and spoken to his senior team in Downing Street. The prime minister reiterated the briefings against cabinet ministers are completely unacceptable, which has always been his position.

He underlined, as he told parliament yesterday, that he has never and would never sanction any such briefings against colleagues.

The PM said he had been assured that no No 10 staff briefed against ministers. The prime minister made abundantly clear the high standards that he expects from staff, and if anyone falls below those standards there will be consequences.

The meeting is understood to have taken place via a video call while Starmer was in north Wales, with some staff alongside him and others in Downing Street.

No leak inquiry has been launched, No 10 indicated. When the spokesperson was asked whether this meant Starmer was attempting to whitewash over the situation, he replied: “I don’t accept that.”

Asked why Starmer apologised to Wes Streeting if No 10 staff had not been involved in the briefing against him, the spokesperson said that the PM had apologised to Streeting “for the situation he found himself in”."

Who knows what really happened, but time to move on until the next lot of rumours about a planned coup.

Yes. The rumour mill went into over drive last time too.

They were discussing the possibility if taxing gambling on the radio (bloody Jeremy Vine) and despite a Labour amp saying what was being discussed (and may not be in the budget anyway) being targeting online gambling as it’s more addictive and doesn’t pay much in the way of tax as it’s off shore with few employees, the next call was someone selling slot machine to pubs as a small family business going on about it putting him out of business if it happens.

So there’s a rumour about s9me area of taxation changing and everyone runs with it to the most catastrophic possibilities. It’s tiring.

I've always felt McSweeney must be no good at his job. Based on the fact that Starmer moves the deckchairs and McSweeney has stayed in post. And things aren't improving.

I just don't understand how, for such an intelligent man, he can't make changes that work.

He must have high iq but poor eq? So many bleedin obvious own goals.

God knows @tobee . He'll be lucky to be PM for longer than Sunak was at this rate.

We don't want (or need) "clever" PMs.

Wasn't Gordon Brown supposed to have a brain the size of a planet ?

It would appear that McSweeney’s skills lie in winning elections and he’s as much use as a chocolate teapot in power. Starmer appears to have no political awareness whatsoever, I’ll never understand why someone who could perfectly well afford to pay for his own clothes and glasses scored such an own goal by accepting donations from them.

Well exactly @SerendipityJane.

I never understood why Starmer wanted to be leader in the first place.

And exactly to you too @BIossomtoes.

And some of the reasons I saw put forward as to why he accepted said clothes and glasses were "oh well the Tories did it. Sue Gray said it was ok. So we will too."

And I'm like "what?!!"

If he said that he’s even worse than I thought.

Tbf that's just what I read was that Sue Gray had okayed it. But I can't vouch for the veracity of where it actually came from. I don't know if Lord Waheed Alli personally. Or what

I have said this previously , in my opinion, it would be wrong to underestimate Sir Keir

I really hope you re correct.

I'd love to proved wrong.

Starmer probably checked if it was within in the rules to accept Ali's offer but someone should have told him that it wouldn't go down well.

Giving him the benefit of doubt, he probably had a lot on at the time.

Its not just that, its stuff he had pre election too, its like he couldn't afford these things and any employee getting gifts like these could be taxed on them.

I was gob smacked he (and others) took gifts, surely they must have realised the media would tear into him?

I can only guess they severly underestimated the press and were lulled into a false sense of security?

Exactly. A junior press officer would have told him what would happen. It was the height of stupidity.

Would love to see the sources on this.

The thing here isn't about what the press will do, whether its within the rules or even what Sue Gray says.... its about your values.

He and others obviously believe its ok to accept high value gifts, when many people in this country can only dream of such things.

Thats what i find disappointing.

It’s a very good test of your values to ask yourself how you’d feel if your decision was front page news. It’s why the comms function is sometimes described as the conscience of an organisation.

How high should the standards be for Labour and how low should they be for Reform and the official opposition Conservative Party?

Because I would argue that Labour in Government has raised the standards a lot.

It's obvious that LibDems, Plaid, Green don't matter.