Thread 37 Starmer: pinko commie slimeball

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I agree with all this.

Apparently the Daily Mail is screaming for a GE. It can fuck right off!

@BIossomtoes yes to Dan Jarvis. Politically I am not sure he is my cup of tea, he is not left-wing enough, but he could be the man for the job right now.

I feel sorry for Starmer. I do think at heart he is a decent man, but he is just not politically astute. Maybe he can pull things back together, but I have doubts.

Loving the Tommy Robinson face change posts on social media, he falsely claimed that West Ham had banned poppies, which started the trend. There was a very funny one of him as Bob Vylan yesterday. I think this is my favourite so far though 😂

Yesterday certainly very odd, not sure can see KS getting a grip with all the shenanigans & whoever it was briefing against Wes Streeting scored a spectacular own goal he was extremely slick during the media rounds.
yy Pandora also feel sorry for him & believe he is a good man, I don’t fully understand why he appears so hated in the polls/media.

All this need for drama is so draining, I don't think boring politics are allowed any more.

Yes, Labour messed up with their comms and Reform appeasement, Starmer and Reeves were never popular and are probably going in May, Rayner never stood a chance imo.

Just get the budget over, rip off the plaster and get on with things.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/13/reform-uk-voters-revealed-slapdash-coalition-nigel-farage-labour

Spot on analysis.

I agree with you @DuncinToffee. That plaster needs ripping off. Time for action.

This! Politics needs to be boring again, not this endless bloody soap opera. But the media is addicted to political drama now and a merry-go-round of PMs.

As for a General election, I very much doubt that any of the other parties want one. Much easier to shout from the sidelines.

Is the DM distracting readers from Farage's mate, friend of Epstein?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ye8zj5l4jo

The reason behind the slower than expected growth.

Does the Mail still have their sidebar of fruity girls ?

No idea, I haven’t been within ten yards of it since my dad died.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/13/labour-replacing-keir-starmer-with-wes-streeting-problems

Same problem the Tories had.

Hopefully the only difference here is there aren't a bunch of grifters waiting to leverage more taxpayer cash from Yet Another Reset.

It could be the only way to avoid entering a perennial state of crisis is to turn towards a form of coalition ? Party politics is clearly failing at this stage, and it the electoral system cannot reflect what is needed, maybe some grown ups should ?

(If the Tories had created a National government during Covid, then maybe they would have won 2024 ?).

"You don't fix extraordinary problems with ordinary tools" as Carl Sagan would undoubtedly have said today.

Politics isn't like engineering. You can't fix problems with the the tools that created them.

Maybe politics is more like physics ? We're using Newtonian principles, but they haven't been updated to reflect relativity.

I need more coffee.

Especially as it's taken Kemi Badenoch a year to get off the starting blocks. At this rate she'll finish the 100m race in 2029.

Have to say Labour internecine dramas are much more boring than the Tory ones.
I think the Labour party shares many of its woes with the BBC - and both lean in to hand wringing in times of stress. The Tories wouldn't know how to navel gaze even if their private GP showed them where their navel was.

But the Tories would have pushed MMcS on to/in to a think tank by now.

Get the Budget done and move on.

Good

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/nov/13/police-and-commissioners-to-be-abolished-government-to-announce

Amazing polling for Plaid in Wales this week. I’d have liked to see a Senedd poll though. I find it very heartening that progressive parties make up over 60% of the vote. Depressing for Labour however.

Oh, that is very encouraging @BestIsWest ❤️

Yes Labour warfare is not nearly as exciting as Tory knife wielding. Something to do with the respective political beliefs and how they agree and manage themselves.

Starmer is odd; let’s remember he managed a fractious Labour Party after Corbyn and cleaned it up. Then he won an election. These aren’t the actions of a man who can’t lead. Yet he is an ineffectual PM domestically. And for someone who was prepared to sack and discipline his members with enthusiasm then it seems odd that he is so timid now. But maybe that’s it - running a country is a far harder job and some of his cabinet appointments are very odd choices. When you look at the people he’s lost and why, the reasons are feeble. It makes him look like he’s got poor judgment and weak too.

I'm very pleased to hear this.

And very, very pleased to see this! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

@bombastix some of the arguments in Failed State is that government has become so over centralised and the media beast so hard to keep fed that it's hard to stop the constant firefighting and think about strategy. Applies whichever party is in power.

I think it’s a really good point actually. Basically I think any government needs a much bigger media strategy to survive the constant flow that social media provides. The old press cycle is gone.

Reform incidentally are much better at riding that social media wave than Labour or Conservative. I think that’s something that needs looking at. Even if they get lesser levels of scrutiny, it’s not just because the media is soft on them, it’s because they handle it better.

If Downing St didn't do the briefing, who did? was it even from Labour?

It wouldn't surprise me if this was done by other players.

GDP Growth a little lower, but it looks very much as if the JLR cyber attack was the cause of this 0.1%... this is according to Sky's economic editor.

Quite incredibly that a bunch of hackers caused this.

Bloody good. We can't even pretend that electing them counts as democracy because the turn out is incredibly low and most of them don't even bother to campaign so we have no idea who we are voting for or why.

I've been out of the loop with other stuff for a few days. Why are people suddenly tslking about Starmer standing down?

I saw Streeting being interviewed yesterday and he came across as thinking the idea was a joke. I assumed that it was more of the media stirring shit before the budget which means Labour have something good for people and bad for Elites including media owners. Starmer also doesn't seem to bend to pressure which the bad players in the world (including reform) will want to have gone. Labour don't appear to be in a bad place, certainly not fractured like the Tories were so why now?

There is so much shit stirring in the media @LlttledrummergirI . Radio 2 news was nearly positive as they reported on good things the govt has done but them had to have a snipe about the unrest being, according to the person interviewed, because Labour are ‘terrified’ of the repercussions of something in the budget. I mean, utter nonsense. If there was something so terrifying they just wouldn’t do it…
Unless, as you say, there’s finally something radical to help ordinary people that the press have wind of.