Stabbing in a train in Huntingdon

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cm2zvjx1z14t

2 arrested. I can't imagine how awful this was for the victims

It would stop the boats.

We need to look at countries who don’t have issues with this and followed their lead.

Your attitude is cowardly and will lead to more violence and unrest.

You could say the same about prisons. We have to deal with these men bravely and proactively.

My conclusion - however this plays out - will be 1% or 2% on Reform’s polling numbers, and a drag to the right for Starmer.

I would suggest the electorate have had enough of this nonsense.

I am a brown non- Muslim and a second generation immigrant. For years now, I have watched as successive governments- not just Starmer- have allowed Islamism to flourish. It's very likely these two men weren't recent migrants but born here and radicalised.

There is a huge naivety about the rise of Islamism in the UK and across the world. Even moderate Muslims are alarmed by it. Many of us brown people know that we will now be looked at with suspicion and fear because radicals were allowed to preach hatred from mosques.

Starmer has been trying this, with both France and Germany, both have their political problems and have back tracked on negotiations.

We left the EU, in doing so, we gave away influence, imagine if we were still in?

Starmer could, as Thatcher did before him, threaten to withdraw our funding, now that would have had a huge effect on focusing EU minds... now we have nothing.

Tbf if a Muslim mowed people down with his car we would be screaming terrorist attack or more outraged than anyone was when a white man mowed down people at a parade not long ago.

I remember when it was announced and it was the same speculation — straight away it was about Muslims and then when it turned out to be a shire man the dynamics changed completely

you had those still uproared
those not believing it was him still despite being announced because he was white
those who defended him and those who claimed mental break.

No

What's the point of omitting the murder of one MP by a British born attacker and not the other.

Because Cox's murderer was a white supremacist?

The Manchester arena attackers weren't white supremacists were they? Nor were the 7/7 attackers, though one, Germain Lindsey was a black convert, and his (white) widow Samantha Lewthwaite is now on the run somewhere in Somalia connected to the murders of 400 ppl

It was responded to as a marauding terrorist attack

That’s nothing like what I said, and is a perfect example of the sort of manipulation of language which causes the polarization that is so hard to move on from. Because if someone just reads your post instead of mine, they would assume it was an accurate representation.

For anyone who wants to know the original post without having to read the quote history, it was about trying to understand what makes some people who are born to immigrant parents and grandparents more likely to be radicalized than others. It also specifically says that this doesn’t let anyone off the hook but might stop it happening again.

Haha. I saw a yougov poll posted which rates Starmer below ex prince Andrew. When you consider Labour are royally screwing over the entire country with nearly every group targeted, from farmers to pensioners to the wealthy and the trying to be wealthy, small businesses, families concerned about personal safety and that of their children nearly everyone has an axe to grind. A massive solar park on prime farmland is planned near me. If it goes ahead a huge swathe of countryside will disappear forever. I doubt I’ll find many labour supporters at the protest meeting I will be attending next week. It will be down to the government to approve it which tells me already that it will go ahead. No one will be able to sell their houses to move. The ten mile bike ride I regularly do through the lanes for health, fitness and pleasure will no longer be possible with all the traffic involved. Local pubs and businesses that benefit from tourism will be done for. I’ll volunteer to have Andrew move in next door if the solar park is binned. There’s a highly suitable rental house a few doors down which is currently empty. There you are. I’ll bake him a welcome cake.

Then why the previous reticence from Labour?

Surely they should be able to get on the front foot of these things? Half the problem are the diktats, and the sense that they are always covering up.

We hire translators/ experts of different places to ascertain where they are from their language/ dialect.

Why is your attitude to these men inevitably lying to allow them to stay?

There will be many moderate Muslims reading this thread right now, who are nurses, doctors, teachers, charity workers etc etc

My thoughts on this as someone who often commutes from the Kent coast to London:

• Greedy private train companies should not have been allowed to remove train guards and station staff. In my mind there is no doubt that this has increased anti-social behaviour. Renationalise the railway and restore proper staffing.

• I am tired of nothing drastic being done about knife crime.

• I am sick and tired of uncontrolled, illegal immigration. I immigrated to this country myself 30 years ago from an EU country, I always follow the law and I was very proud of becoming a British citizen. But now we have too many people now who simply have no interest in respecting the law of the land or in integrating and who bring hatred, violence and disrespect for women and girls. Glossing over this does not favour to anyone because if it is not addressed it also affects peaceful, legal migrants who only want to get on with their lives and have to face negative feelings because of the behaviour of a few radicalised people.

• If trains feel unsafe more people will use their cars which is not good for our environmental targets.

Because it’s not a recurring problem maybe? Because often the white British person was born here and all we can do is let the criminal justice system run its course? The riots (and there aren’t riots after every attack) are down to people seeing that we are allowing entry to people with ingrained cultural differences which are immoral and don’t align with our own, leading to indiscriminate attacks, and people are trying to get the government to listen, but they don’t, so people resort to riots unfortunately to get their point across.

And they should speak up and out.

Condemn violence wherever it occurs.

All my posts are being deleted as I speak the truth.

When debate is deleted it means one side is correct, and it's not the side doing the deleting.

Trust your instincts people.

Where are their voices then? Very few speak up.

Totally agree. My point was the op seems to be frothing at stirring up on here. The divisiveness is planned imo.

That seemed more like a American school shooting to me than a 'traditional' terror attack.

Which multiple agencies have been doing for decades.

It's not working. That's the point.

Why are you assuming my attitude is to let them stay. I can assure you it isn't. Im just asking how we repatriate an undocumented migrant who refuses to say where they are from. Accent alone may not be sufficient to determine this.

I'm not sure you've really thought this one through.

We look to replicate models that work such as Japan’s. We don’t have to surrender our safety.

I grew up near Huntingdon and still live in Cambs, its a very white area near Huntingdon. I did wonder if the choice of where to commit the attack was a clear message to white people who feel removed from racial tensions in big cities.

The fact there were two attackers suggests this is not some mental health issue, its an organised display of pure hatred.

That constituency has been Tory forever I think, was John Major's old constituency. I can believe it'll be Reform next time.

It instils fear so meets that criteria for a start.