Stabbing in a train in Huntingdon

[Mathsdebator]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cm2zvjx1z14t

2 arrested. I can't imagine how awful this was for the victims

That all sounds great but for those arriving with no documentation how would we know where to send them back?

Of course I’m not suggesting killing people in order to stop the boats. But rational discussions with France need to be had. We can forewarn them that we intend to take a more active approach with returning them, and in turn they can decide on a strategy their end. We need to work together.

My concerns is we do not know the background of these individuals. How many have committed crimes or murder at home?

I think they were being deported from Europe having had asylum refused.

Where do you suggest that compound should be? If it's not on our shores we would have to have permission from another country, and we would have to be absolutely certain that that was a stable country, not a Rwanda with wars raging on its borders. Why would you force families apart? How do you "take" people back to their country of origin if the country of origin won't accept them, or if you know they will be killed or tortured on arrival? Where would we deport those undesirable males to, if nowhere will take them? What happens when you have processed them all and ascertained that most have a right to asylum?

Have you actually thought this through in any way?

I should have written leaking ship.

but truly, has the UK seen an increase in living standards these last 10 years? Median income seems to have decreased, material deprivation increased and household disposable income per person decreased / is lower than before the pandemic. And considering the state of the NHS, the concerns (shared by many) considering the educational achievements of children and teens…

Vital, booming and prosperous aren’t words that come of mind.

No point at all in wasting money on a review.

Do you actually know what happens on the streets?

Last year, in Birmingham, men were firing fireworks out of a rocket launcher, laughing and running down the street. I've not seen those on Amazon or on the high street yet people get hold of such things.

Those intent on evil will always find something to use

Broadly, in the last century, those who immigrated to the UK were either from societies with cultural traits broadly in line with the UK (whether that was as a result of British colonisation or not), were highly-educated, or were hard working, although I'm aware that in certain areas this was not always the case. Over the course of this century so far, the balance has shifted slightly to encompass those with no cultural similarities at all with the UK (including those with values, or attitudes - whatever you want to call it - totally at odds with those of native Brits and many established immigrant communities), poorly-educated, clannish, and sometimes actively quite hostile to the UK and its people.

Posters can often (not unreasonably) claim that it's wrong for British pensioners to tip up in Magaluf and sit at Ye Olde Irish Pub and yell 'un beerio por favor Manuel' all day, but can't seem to apply the same thinking to the fact that we're now seeing an influx (and yes, not all recent immigrants, by any means) of those countries' equivalents of the scallies and yobs you'd happily move away from on a train if they were white British.

I have considered this, and wondered whether it is more a hatred of the (white) British, rather than a defence of minorities.

Something does not add up.

And what happens when France says sorry, no, we only co-operate with our EU partners on these matters?

Every single person convicted of murder gets a life sentence.

It's mandatory sentencing.

Why don't we riot when white British people commit mass attacks?

They do seem to be.

No one said you have to.

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Shock horror.

To the people saying we have free speech.
Do we?

It's so fucking predictable. Brown person? Cue days of rioting and weeks of spewing unfiltered hatred. White person runs over football fans in Liverpool? He's a kind family man and it's so out of character for him.

But there are not riots after every terror attack. Southport wasn't terror & I would think if a white boy stabbed and killed children there would be a lot of angry people.

For fuck's sake, people.

It makes little difference at this point whether the terrorist was white, black or brown.

What matters is whether he was already known to police, how he got on a train in the first place what the useless bunch of politicians intend to do about knife crime.

The government wants you all to be distracted by racial arguments, because then you can't focus on the real issue, which is how to reduce crime.

You’re trying to deflect. It’s because we have 9 people in hospital that we are demanding action to stop it happening again, tomorrow, next month, next year. It just doesn’t wash - the ‘let’s focus on the victims and ignore the reasons behind it’. It’s happening far too frequently now for us to ignore the difficult decisions needed.

So the people who are genuinely concerned and affected by this are just too stupid to understand because they dont have the "broader perspective" of their better educated peers and are just more susceptible to manipulation and lies? Could you be anymore patronising? I mean you're kind of making you're own point there as to why this situation has come about, but you still feel the need to denigrate people who disagree with uncontrolled immigration

Not more than crimes, no.
But social media stokes misinformation, fear & hatred. Let’s not forget that the vast majority of immigrants are good people who work hard & contribute to the economy.

It's more than likely a terror attack.

This. And no user comments allowed. Apparently there will be a briefing this morning.

Based on previous incidents, this will be either terror rated or someone severely mentally ill, who's is being treated in the community with meds not working. If there was one perpetrator both are possibilities, if there were two masked men involved as has been reported in some places, it is more likely to be terror related. I am desperately upset for the victims of crime and the psychological and mental traumas they incurred.

Online, this will be used to sow uncertainty and polarise opinions as per usual. I wouldn’t be too sure that those insisting it was football-related aren’t actually doing so to encourage more voices saying it wasn’t (it was obviously NOT football related in any case). Every 'side' seems to have its share of ulterior motives and dishonesty.

Clearly fish filleting knives are are a menace to society,