Stabbing in a train in Huntingdon

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cm2zvjx1z14t

2 arrested. I can't imagine how awful this was for the victims

What do you understand? My understanding is that it takes a huge amount of resource for successfully settle people in a new country. We can't stretch ourselves this thin.

'7/7 provoked an outpouring of unity and pride in London and the UK, but judging by many of the comments on this thread this morning we have fallen a long, long way since then'

Because the 'unity', 'pride', vigils, singalongs are getting tedious. It is becoming a frequent occurrence to wake up to an atrocity. We are scared, we are scared for our kids and we are sick of it.

Desperate times = desperate measures I’m afraid. And the EU aren’t necessarily going to be against us. Many countries in Europe are starting to realise the dangers uncontrolled immigration is bringing.

People bending over backwards to somehow make it our own fault that immigrants or children of immigrants or disenfranchised people of a certain religious persuasion repeatedly try to kill us.

It’s not our fault. Most of us never asked for this or voted for it in any way shape or form. If the government doesn’t get a grip on it we will be in a very dark place where we will start voting for anyone who looks like they can.

It feels very reminiscent of the immediate aftermath of Southport when the govt were desperate to delay announcing that the killer was on a terror watch list and of Rwandan origin

The police did want to say more but prosecutors advised not to, that was a mistake.

I‘m more worried about uncontrollable social media than immigration.

I also want the boats stopped, if Starmer fails to do so, then we'll get a Reform Govt, its a huge issue and rightly so

But there are no easy answers.

However, we do need to get rid of pull factors but when Starmer suggested ID cards, he was attacked for this.
Same with Army camps too.

We don't have a handy Naru nearby, unless we send to a detention camp in the Falklands?

And are raped in their dying moments.

Allowing boats to cross is nothing short of being complicit in people trafficking

Quite
And anyway the government cannot control all media.

There are accounts on SM smd X and videos of a perp running.

Yeah yeah, not 100% verified as yet and officially entertainment not news but enough that it confirms what most people think

The most recent child I remember dying in a small boat was trampled to death by grown men trying to get on board.

Well said. I was caught up in 7/7 too, it strikes me that the biggest difference between then and now is the presence now of social media and the fear / tribalism / division that it has stoked.

Surely it's the fact attacks and deaths keep happening?

Rwanda or the Chagos Islands might have worked. Oh, wait .....

Although when people drown in a Channel crossing, it always seems to be children, tragically. They are placed in the bottom of boats. Probably a deliberate tactic to prevent the French from spearing or puncturing dinghies when a few feet off their coast - 'human shields' in a particularly despicable way.

Really? And more than the actual crimes?

Yes but in this case we'd be increasing migrants in the EU, France is likely to have an RN Govt soon, they will not accept mass boat returns.

So of course the EU would be against it.

We could tow back out to sea, miles from French waters, ban media coverage of the drownings and turn a blind eye i suppose.

Would you be happy with this?

No you're not. Come on.

I’m taking it it wasn’t a drunk Newcastle United fan who had been drinking in Halloween by the looks of things???? (The fact that poster thinks Halloween is some evil excuse to partake in the evils of drink still haven’t been explained although it would seem they know precisely little about any of the subjects they’ve covered

Posters seem to believe that the mass murders aren’t the problem. It’s people having access to news to KNOW the mass murders happened that is the problem.

The boat people are not refugees.

JFC.

What have you done to stop the accidental drownings in the Channel? 176 people have died in the crossings in the last five years. If you did nothing then by your (admittedly extremely stupid) logic, you must not be listened to on this issue

If you're telling me the PRIME MINISTER no longer has the capabilities to defend our country then we really are in serious trouble.

Can you imagine some like Churchill having that attitude, thank god Starmer wasn't in power back then.

Culture cohesion??? Try telling that to certain sectors of society.
I’m Incredulous at your naivety.

France doesn't attempt to puncture boats, 2 or 3 Gendarmes are not going to try and sink a boat surrounded by 200 men.

Children are short, thats why they are at the bottom of the boat.