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Labour isn't working - Thread 14

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TheNuthatch · 21/10/2025 08:54

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 09:21

@Nolletimiere Sorry to hear about your neighbour. Another casualty.
I'm very jealous of your run, I'm still injured so can't go :-(

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DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 26/10/2025 09:22

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 09:05

Its all a bit wishy washy at the moment. The 9 month period is just a proposal and not set in stone. My understanding of it is that employees absolutely will be able to bring claims in that 9 month period (if it is 9 months). Employers will need to be fully watertight if they dismiss in that period, and the dismissal can only be for specific reasons. Claims are expected to go up as the gov also want to increase the time in which employees can make a claim from 3 months of termination to 6 months. Although there is expected to be a cap on awards for successful claims, as if that's some kind of compensation!

That's my understanding of it so far, I'm no expert but I have been trying to read up on it as I employ people.
Reality is this will discourage employment. I'm already leaning towards agency staff, and it certainly won't help women of child-bearing age gain employment. I know that makes me sound heartless, but its true.

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Thanks. V helpful.

After I posted I tracked down a relatively recent, and neutral, explanation from a law firm. Despite the trimming around the Bill’s edges, this does seem to be a very far reaching change. I expect to see a significant expansion in the protection racket that is chancers’ tribunal claims against employers.

Who’d be an employer after this change? There’d be a massive potential downside to taking anyone on without cast iron reassurance that they’re not going to game their ‘rights’. There’ll be very little assessment space.

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 09:25

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 09:21

@Nolletimiere Sorry to hear about your neighbour. Another casualty.
I'm very jealous of your run, I'm still injured so can't go :-(

Not long for you hopefully TNh.

Its the only way I can clear my head nowdays, otherwise I have a tendency to doomscroll…

It doesn’t resolve anything though.

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upseedaisee · 26/10/2025 09:25

Ditto. I can't imagine how tough it's been for your neighbours. As you have said, it can't be a one-off, there must be many people facing similar circumstances. The odds are certainly stacked against any form of happiness and security if you work in the privates sector. What has the country come to when all we can see is doom, gloom and the past racing up to bite us in behind.

CaveMum · 26/10/2025 09:26

5 days and we’ve almost filled another thread! Says it all really.

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 09:26

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 26/10/2025 09:22

Thanks. V helpful.

After I posted I tracked down a relatively recent, and neutral, explanation from a law firm. Despite the trimming around the Bill’s edges, this does seem to be a very far reaching change. I expect to see a significant expansion in the protection racket that is chancers’ tribunal claims against employers.

Who’d be an employer after this change? There’d be a massive potential downside to taking anyone on without cast iron reassurance that they’re not going to game their ‘rights’. There’ll be very little assessment space.

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And if/when Labour realise their error (they wont of course), it will be far too late.
It will scorched earth remaining.

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 09:28

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 26/10/2025 09:22

Thanks. V helpful.

After I posted I tracked down a relatively recent, and neutral, explanation from a law firm. Despite the trimming around the Bill’s edges, this does seem to be a very far reaching change. I expect to see a significant expansion in the protection racket that is chancers’ tribunal claims against employers.

Who’d be an employer after this change? There’d be a massive potential downside to taking anyone on without cast iron reassurance that they’re not going to game their ‘rights’. There’ll be very little assessment space.

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Yes it will be a huge blow for jobs, as the risk is just too high for small businesses like mine.

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SpaceRaccoon · 26/10/2025 09:28

AbsentosaurusRex · 26/10/2025 08:20

Isn’t snitching a horrible word. No one should be a snitch. A squealer, a rat, a betrayer. I can well imagine socialist governments and organisations are rife with them.. nasty..

You only need to look at the former DDR.

EasternStandard · 26/10/2025 09:30

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 09:10

Just back from a run - it’s gorgeous out there - fresh but bright.

Long story/short and avoiding being outy - just bumped into a neighbour also running - I only know her on passing terms, as she’s a bit younger than me so has kids in v early teens. I said hi but she stopped to talk. In essence, her DH lost his job in the City end of last year and has not managed to get anything else - she hinted that he had initially turned down some lower paying roles. They have/had decided to separate but are forced to remain living in the family home as there were no buyers over the summer.

Whilst she did not, I am going to blame Reeves’s budget last year - for the job market, the housing market, the uncertainty - all of which falls squarely on this government. Imagine how many times similar stories must be unfolding around the UK.

I get so bloody angry with it all.

It’s a beautiful day, I’m going later for a run too.

We have a few friends in the same place, it’s really worrying. I feel like the tide is lapping up a shrinking island and the sandy part is going. Sand being jobs.

LupaMoonhowl · 26/10/2025 09:33

EasternStandard · 26/10/2025 09:30

It’s a beautiful day, I’m going later for a run too.

We have a few friends in the same place, it’s really worrying. I feel like the tide is lapping up a shrinking island and the sandy part is going. Sand being jobs.

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But if you take your dog…
This policing is just unbelievable…
https://x.com/eyakoby/status/1979726411071094953?s=46

Eyal Yakoby (@EYakoby) on X

BREAKING: UK police stopped a woman from walking her dog, saying it could offend the local Muslim population — and ordered her off her own street.

https://x.com/eyakoby/status/1979726411071094953?s=46

strawberrybubblegum · 26/10/2025 09:35

SpaceRaccoon · 26/10/2025 09:28

You only need to look at the former DDR.

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I also see echos of historic malevolent communism in Lanour's push to take away all sense of parental responsibility for children - as was mentioned earlier in the thread wrt breakfast clubs.

The CCP deliberately broke down the family unit - actively turning children against their parents - and positioned the party as their family instead. If you catch children young enough, they'll believe you. They knew the strength of family bonds and loyalty - and saw that as a threat, so they destroyed it.

MantleStatue · 26/10/2025 09:35

I honestly believe the UK is in serious decline. I recall ages ago (possibly pre-election) someone on MN posting that 'The UK is a poor country that thinks it is a rich country'. I really think that is largely true. We need growth, investment, a sense of positivity. None of that is coming with this Government. The UK was once trily great, but it's puttering to a stop. And the continued attacks on those who are actually contributing - is so disgracefully and laughably insane that it's hard to see how it's not deliberate- as @twistyizzy has argued.

Rivalled · 26/10/2025 09:40

Yes - trillions riding on the stock market almost entirely focused on US shares, so whatever we do on defence in reality we can never strategically diverge from US interests whilst we are reliant on them for AI.

upseedaisee · 26/10/2025 09:52

DS (he's my source of real world info!) works with a number of Eastern Europeans. An older guy from Poland has said this country reminds more and more of living behind the iron curtain. He remembers the chinese whispers and malevolence that purveyed the country before Solidarnosk in the 80's and the stories from his dad from the sixties on how communism overtook the country. In those days it was common to split up families by sending the men elsewhere to work and bringing men from another iron curtain country to replace them. Causing fear and mistrust kids never seeing their fathers, mums fending for themselves and all the time children taught to spy on their community. All this is being done by stealth. Work and homes are far apart, kids are taught to 'see it, say it' importing cheap labour in the guise of asylum seekers. It's all there.
God I'm on one today! Better go get me tinfoil hat🤪😂

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 09:54

EasternStandard · 26/10/2025 09:30

It’s a beautiful day, I’m going later for a run too.

We have a few friends in the same place, it’s really worrying. I feel like the tide is lapping up a shrinking island and the sandy part is going. Sand being jobs.

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I like that analogy.

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 10:03

upseedaisee · 26/10/2025 09:52

DS (he's my source of real world info!) works with a number of Eastern Europeans. An older guy from Poland has said this country reminds more and more of living behind the iron curtain. He remembers the chinese whispers and malevolence that purveyed the country before Solidarnosk in the 80's and the stories from his dad from the sixties on how communism overtook the country. In those days it was common to split up families by sending the men elsewhere to work and bringing men from another iron curtain country to replace them. Causing fear and mistrust kids never seeing their fathers, mums fending for themselves and all the time children taught to spy on their community. All this is being done by stealth. Work and homes are far apart, kids are taught to 'see it, say it' importing cheap labour in the guise of asylum seekers. It's all there.
God I'm on one today! Better go get me tinfoil hat🤪😂

I love it when you're 'on one' 😂😂

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Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 10:06

upseedaisee · 26/10/2025 09:25

Ditto. I can't imagine how tough it's been for your neighbours. As you have said, it can't be a one-off, there must be many people facing similar circumstances. The odds are certainly stacked against any form of happiness and security if you work in the privates sector. What has the country come to when all we can see is doom, gloom and the past racing up to bite us in behind.

Thanks - it’s the kids I think about. Without crossing any lines, I shall keep an eye out for the family.

Ay ay ay.

upseedaisee · 26/10/2025 10:07

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 10:03

I love it when you're 'on one' 😂😂

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😂😂 I blame breakfast. It was Cheerios and Blueberries today, not the usual Porridge so I got energy all in one hit this morning🤣🤣

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 10:10

upseedaisee · 26/10/2025 10:07

😂😂 I blame breakfast. It was Cheerios and Blueberries today, not the usual Porridge so I got energy all in one hit this morning🤣🤣

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Ah, so you're on a sugar high. You need to get back on the purple porridge 😂.

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upseedaisee · 26/10/2025 10:15

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 10:10

Ah, so you're on a sugar high. You need to get back on the purple porridge 😂.

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That was one of the strangest things I'v ever eaten. I stick to porridge and blueberries now, rather blueberries in porridge.😂

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 10:40

AbsentosaurusRex · 26/10/2025 10:22

Ex-Bank governor Mervyn King slaps down Rachel Reeves' incoherent' plot to hammer aspiration with mansion tax saying attack on strivers will solve none of Chancellor's problems

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15228277/Mervyn-King-Rachel-Reeves-incoherent-mansion-tax.html

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Ooh, please can you copy that onto the new thread? Its too good to languish at the bottom of this one.
I'll close this thread down, see you over there 💙

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 10:40

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