Labour isn't working - Thread 14

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Let’s wait and see about the budget. We could write pages guessing but we don’t know. All these theories being thrown about - it can’t be that all of them are reflective of what RR is going to do, can it? 🤔

They are all leaks though no? Leaks from Labour to test the water?

I mean she could have ended speculation by not delaying the budget but we all know that was because of the bond spike, due to her own incompetence.

Spot on.

The uncertainty they have created, with the constant leaks, and doublespeak, and u-turns, have made life intolerable for many.

I am running out of words which adequately describe how I feel about these half-wits.

I think they’re a fair guide. But you have to discount the Labour softening-up propaganda a bit.

The central truth is that Reeves has to keep the bond market stable, so it’s taxes up and/or spending cuts. Since this government can’t survive its own internal divisions about spending cuts, it’s tax rises. Again. 🤦‍♀️

I agree we need to locate some new words. Mine are certainly repetitive because I've run out of adjectives. Maybe I'm a bit dim?

New challenge: anyone come up with new ways of describing Labour that we haven't already?

Ahh true @twistyizzy @DenizenOfAisleOfShame @Nolletimiere maybe I'm in advanced denial..

Hmm words .. to describe Labour.. I do like the human bollard for Starmer. But yes we need more collective descriptors… hmm

Sorry no. I’m trying to think of funny but spot on descriptors .. I had a few feeble attempts but, in the end, ‘bunch of bitter incompetent twats’, won.

🤣🤣🤣

The weather turned cold today, so much so that I even saw a couple of socialists with their hands in the own pockets.

I’ll get my coat…

Who bought the coats? Lord Alli I’d guess.

🤣🤣 Les?

😆

Moronic degenerates?

😂

I think that covers it 😁

😂😂👏👏

Therapists will tell anxious and depressed Britons that work is good for their mental health in a fresh attempt to end Britain’s sick note culture.

Medical professionals are being urged to effectively prescribe having a job as a form of treatment amid concern over the soaring sickness benefits bill.

Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, said the change reflected a shift in attitude to treating employment as being “just as vital” to health as diet and exercise.
There are more than 2.8 million people of working age who are economically inactive because of long-term sickness, latest figures show.

The number has risen by 800,000 since just before the pandemic, fuelled largely by a sharp increase in sick notes being issued for mental health problems.

As a result official projections show that the taxpayer bill for sickness and disability benefits is now set to top £100 billion a year by the end of the decade.

Are they asking GPs to do this, do you know?

They are evidently trying to swerve GPs doing so.

New guidance has now been issued to allied health professionals – a group which includes therapists and physiotherapists – on the benefits of work.
They have been told to include discussions about employment and its benefits in conversations with patients who could fall on to sickness benefits.
They will be expected to ask people what job they do, how it affects their health, and what would help them to stay in work rather than leave.

Despite that, doctors still currently account for more than nine in 10 fit notes issued.
Figures released last week show 93 per cent of the notes issued by doctors deem the patient not fit for work, and just seven per cent that say they may be fit to.
That contrasts with 87 per cent to 13 per cent for occupational therapists and 72 per cent to 28 per cent for physiotherapists.
The figures suggest that medical specialists are more likely to deem that a patient has some ability to carry on work than family doctors and nurses.

I expect that sometimes, many times, GPs issue sick notes to get rid of the patients and / or they’re intimidated by certain patients. They can also only go on what a patient says. They have to believe them.

Thank you.
That's what I was confused about, most sick notes are issued by GPs. I'm glad to hear that therapists take a more nuanced approach, but many people signed off by their GP will never see a therapist.
I know someone who did this, she was off work for two years due to poor mental health, but never saw anyone except her GP. She had a telephone appointment once every three months, but that was it.

Just to add, my friend was genuinely ill and distressed. She did eventually go back to work and get her life back on track. I'm not implying that she was swinging the lead, but it would have been very very easy for her to do so.

Very happy to hear that.

I am sure that you were a wonderfully supportive friend when she needed you.

Interesting week: there was a lot of hand wringing and pearl clutching over infighting among councillors at Kent County Council which apparently shows how bad Reform councils will be. (Oh, how soon you are forgotten, Jackie Weaver!)

At a Milton Keynes council meeting a Labour councillor tells a 16 year old member of the public to 'F* off', loud enough to be heard (there were microphones). Not a whisper from the usual suspects.

Is Torsten Bell(end) the puppeteer driving Reeves's malevolent and relentless persecution of the middle and wealthy classes?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15227267/Rachel-Reeves-mansion-tax-raid-homes-annual-charge.html