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Labour isn't working - Thread 14

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TheNuthatch · 21/10/2025 08:54

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 00:28

amicisimma · 25/10/2025 22:37

Interesting week: there was a lot of hand wringing and pearl clutching over infighting among councillors at Kent County Council which apparently shows how bad Reform councils will be. (Oh, how soon you are forgotten, Jackie Weaver!)

At a Milton Keynes council meeting a Labour councillor tells a 16 year old member of the public to 'F* off', loud enough to be heard (there were microphones). Not a whisper from the usual suspects.

I had ro Google that when I read your post. What a nasty piece of work that council leader is.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c986gv707lmo

Pete Marland with short dark hair and beard, looking at the camera and wearing a black jacket, white shirt and dark tie. He is standing in front of trees and a road which passes a modern office building..

Milton Keynes council leader sorry for swear word after teen speech

He claims the comment at a council meeting was not "directed at anyone" in particular.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c986gv707lmo

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 00:42

DancingFerret · 25/10/2025 23:15

Is Torsten Bell(end) the puppeteer driving Reeves's malevolent and relentless persecution of the middle and wealthy classes?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15227267/Rachel-Reeves-mansion-tax-raid-homes-annual-charge.html

Yes this looks like a Bellend proposal.

Another stupid idea. Some people are asset rich, but cash poor. How are they supposed to come up with an extra £10K a year?

Are they supposed to sell up and sacrifice their home because this bunch of imbeciles can't manage the economy?

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 00:59

Rivalled · 25/10/2025 23:33

Yes it would. Its so shit for young people atm. The last thing they needed was the government strangling jobs.

£267bn in outstanding loans 🤯

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Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 04:38

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 00:42

Yes this looks like a Bellend proposal.

Another stupid idea. Some people are asset rich, but cash poor. How are they supposed to come up with an extra £10K a year?

Are they supposed to sell up and sacrifice their home because this bunch of imbeciles can't manage the economy?

It’s a terrible prediction to make, but if they bring in an asset tax, it will not be long before the first suicide is reported - as you say, where are some of the older asset heavy, cash poor going to find the additional liquidity? Let me guess, Labour will helpfully take a first charge on their homes…

I have never known such a despicable bunch of people as this socialist government - this is nothing short of open warfare along perceived class, and demographic lines.

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 04:45

Labour’s flagship workers’ rights bill risks crippling the jobs market, the party’s “favourite” think tank has warned in a fresh challenge to Sir Keir Starmer.

The Resolution Foundation has told The Telegraph it would come out against plans championed by Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, that will give workers a day one right against unfair dismissal.

It said the policy risked blighting the job prospects of millions of people while offering “little obvious gain to workers”.

It also warned that the new rule would “inhibit hiring”, risked plunging tribunal courts into crisis and would “only benefit employment lawyers”.

The foundation warned that the jobs market was already slowing down, with the number of employees on payrolls falling by 127,000 over the past year in the wake of increases to National Insurance.

It added that businesses were already going bust while being dragged through the courts for unfair dismissal claims. Almost 30,000 businesses have collapsed since Labour came to power, official figures show.

The Telegraph understands that ministers are unlikely to ditch the commitment to introduce unfair dismissal from day one as doing so would spark a backbench revolt.

Labour’s union backers – which will be handed sweeping new powers under the bill – have warned the Government not to water down the plans.

twistyizzy · 26/10/2025 04:46

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 04:45

Labour’s flagship workers’ rights bill risks crippling the jobs market, the party’s “favourite” think tank has warned in a fresh challenge to Sir Keir Starmer.

The Resolution Foundation has told The Telegraph it would come out against plans championed by Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, that will give workers a day one right against unfair dismissal.

It said the policy risked blighting the job prospects of millions of people while offering “little obvious gain to workers”.

It also warned that the new rule would “inhibit hiring”, risked plunging tribunal courts into crisis and would “only benefit employment lawyers”.

The foundation warned that the jobs market was already slowing down, with the number of employees on payrolls falling by 127,000 over the past year in the wake of increases to National Insurance.

It added that businesses were already going bust while being dragged through the courts for unfair dismissal claims. Almost 30,000 businesses have collapsed since Labour came to power, official figures show.

The Telegraph understands that ministers are unlikely to ditch the commitment to introduce unfair dismissal from day one as doing so would spark a backbench revolt.

Labour’s union backers – which will be handed sweeping new powers under the bill – have warned the Government not to water down the plans.

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Who would have thunk it? Oh yeh everyone but Labour. It's a union policy.

EasternStandard · 26/10/2025 06:49

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 04:45

Labour’s flagship workers’ rights bill risks crippling the jobs market, the party’s “favourite” think tank has warned in a fresh challenge to Sir Keir Starmer.

The Resolution Foundation has told The Telegraph it would come out against plans championed by Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, that will give workers a day one right against unfair dismissal.

It said the policy risked blighting the job prospects of millions of people while offering “little obvious gain to workers”.

It also warned that the new rule would “inhibit hiring”, risked plunging tribunal courts into crisis and would “only benefit employment lawyers”.

The foundation warned that the jobs market was already slowing down, with the number of employees on payrolls falling by 127,000 over the past year in the wake of increases to National Insurance.

It added that businesses were already going bust while being dragged through the courts for unfair dismissal claims. Almost 30,000 businesses have collapsed since Labour came to power, official figures show.

The Telegraph understands that ministers are unlikely to ditch the commitment to introduce unfair dismissal from day one as doing so would spark a backbench revolt.

Labour’s union backers – which will be handed sweeping new powers under the bill – have warned the Government not to water down the plans.

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They’re stuffed over this. It’s so depressing we’ll be dragged into this with impact on jobs. If they could trip themselves up completely and just go instead that would be good.

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 06:55

EasternStandard · 26/10/2025 06:49

They’re stuffed over this. It’s so depressing we’ll be dragged into this with impact on jobs. If they could trip themselves up completely and just go instead that would be good.

It’s death by a thousand cuts (if only) with these fools, isn’t it?

twistyizzy · 26/10/2025 06:56

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 06:55

It’s death by a thousand cuts (if only) with these fools, isn’t it?

Limiting it to 1000 would be an improvement

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 07:24

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 04:45

Labour’s flagship workers’ rights bill risks crippling the jobs market, the party’s “favourite” think tank has warned in a fresh challenge to Sir Keir Starmer.

The Resolution Foundation has told The Telegraph it would come out against plans championed by Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, that will give workers a day one right against unfair dismissal.

It said the policy risked blighting the job prospects of millions of people while offering “little obvious gain to workers”.

It also warned that the new rule would “inhibit hiring”, risked plunging tribunal courts into crisis and would “only benefit employment lawyers”.

The foundation warned that the jobs market was already slowing down, with the number of employees on payrolls falling by 127,000 over the past year in the wake of increases to National Insurance.

It added that businesses were already going bust while being dragged through the courts for unfair dismissal claims. Almost 30,000 businesses have collapsed since Labour came to power, official figures show.

The Telegraph understands that ministers are unlikely to ditch the commitment to introduce unfair dismissal from day one as doing so would spark a backbench revolt.

Labour’s union backers – which will be handed sweeping new powers under the bill – have warned the Government not to water down the plans.

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Going out on a limb here, but I think they'll U turn on this. If not fully, a severe watering down. The gov know how damaging this will be, and Rayner is no longer there to force it through.
Wishful thinking on my part perhaps.

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NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2025 07:27

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 07:24

Going out on a limb here, but I think they'll U turn on this. If not fully, a severe watering down. The gov know how damaging this will be, and Rayner is no longer there to force it through.
Wishful thinking on my part perhaps.

I imagine that most of the workforce would've been happy with it returning to a year's service. There was no need to go to extreme lengths.

(I'd lost you all as I'd forgotten to watch the thread...back now!)

StarieNight · 26/10/2025 07:34

@Rivalled good article thank you .

So ceo price Waterhouse coopers said drop in taking on youngsters reflects slow down in wider economy of deal making and investment.

SpaceRaccoon · 26/10/2025 07:35

What's the point in having all these protections for workers, renters etc if there's no jobs and a dead rental market?

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 07:36

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 07:24

Going out on a limb here, but I think they'll U turn on this. If not fully, a severe watering down. The gov know how damaging this will be, and Rayner is no longer there to force it through.
Wishful thinking on my part perhaps.

You may well be right.

The good news is that it will hopefully be another issue which tears Labour apart.

Nolletimiere · 26/10/2025 07:37

SpaceRaccoon · 26/10/2025 07:35

What's the point in having all these protections for workers, renters etc if there's no jobs and a dead rental market?

Tut tut- applying logic!

upseedaisee · 26/10/2025 07:37

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2025 07:27

I imagine that most of the workforce would've been happy with it returning to a year's service. There was no need to go to extreme lengths.

(I'd lost you all as I'd forgotten to watch the thread...back now!)

Wlecome back😁

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 07:39

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2025 07:27

I imagine that most of the workforce would've been happy with it returning to a year's service. There was no need to go to extreme lengths.

(I'd lost you all as I'd forgotten to watch the thread...back now!)

Yeah, day one rights are a disaster for employers. Anyone with half a brain should be advising the gov against that.

Glad you've found us again. The threads are moving fast these days. I was reading your thread the other day. I thought it might inspire me to get organised 😂.

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StarieNight · 26/10/2025 07:40

Don't forget the massive pressure on small business of eye watering water bills and gas/electric bills on top of business rates ,now ni stuff.
Then the EPC rating stuff widely touted as a con

What's happened to bringing these bills down ??

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 07:40

SpaceRaccoon · 26/10/2025 07:35

What's the point in having all these protections for workers, renters etc if there's no jobs and a dead rental market?

Is that some common sense I hear?
If only Labour had some.

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StarieNight · 26/10/2025 07:41

No jobs and what jobs there are lower down pay you can't live off.

upseedaisee · 26/10/2025 07:42

DS has said a union rep has already been hanging around at the gates where he works to gauge how well received a union presence would be and handing out leaflets. So far he's been universally told to fuck off.
But who's to say this new bill won't force a union presence on, say firms that have more than x employees?
I dread the idea of the unions having more control, they'll just bugger up the country again.

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2025 07:44

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 07:39

Yeah, day one rights are a disaster for employers. Anyone with half a brain should be advising the gov against that.

Glad you've found us again. The threads are moving fast these days. I was reading your thread the other day. I thought it might inspire me to get organised 😂.

I was thinking about you this week, as we kept finding gaps in the rain to put the washing out! 😁

The stiff breeze meant we got three loads dried yesterday!

Labour seems to be intent on killing off employers' ability to employ. It's baffling how they're so bad at this aspect of government. And are also failing to see what's in front of their eyes, so keep ploughing on with more destruction. It's all such a bloody mess.

EasternStandard · 26/10/2025 07:48

TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 07:24

Going out on a limb here, but I think they'll U turn on this. If not fully, a severe watering down. The gov know how damaging this will be, and Rayner is no longer there to force it through.
Wishful thinking on my part perhaps.

The Resolution Foundation v union backing its hard to see which way they’ll go. Changing it from day one is a no brainer but they’ve got a lot of back benchers who can do the same as they did on welfare cuts.

I’m not sure when it gets to crunch point, is there a vote idk

Parsley4321 · 26/10/2025 07:51

When I worked for the civil service it was such an eye opener I had a few things happen like my sons father relapsed after 20 years my bf now ex was diagnosed with young onset dementia and my son was suicidal after Covid had to be a day boy I told my manager as i may if needed time off for appointments and on each occasion I could of had whatever I needed for however long. The unions were an eye opener hit a problem see your union rep who has time allocated gig union meetings and staff issues it really was like carry on at your convenience Sid James all out everyone out. The less work people could do the better 😳🤦‍♀️

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