Labour isn't working - Thread 14

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Sell how?

This will break the housing market in addition to the fucked up economy and all rich foreign taxpayers relocation.

Labour really are an embarrassment to themselves and to our country. This Labour guy in Milton Keynes, vomit.

The disgraced Manchester Labour MP Andrew Gwynne who wished death on an older member of the electorate a few months ago. Just 2 examples of their utter repulsiveness

‘Gwynne posted: "Dear resident. F* your bins. I'm re-elected and without your vote. Screw you. Dave."
He added: "P.S. Hopefully you'll have croaked it by the all-outs." ‘

Link to a paper which people might say isn’t ideal. The problem is that the broadsheets often sanitise such stories.

Vomit. I cannot bear them. Top down one assumes. 🤢

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/2015195/grandma-speaks-out-labours-shamed/amp

Wth Labour are so nasty

Perhaps my tory-wired brain still can't comprehend how batshit this gov are. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that ideology will prevail over common sense. They have a penchant for self harm.

Fabianism, Marxism, socialism.....take your pick

Urgh horrible man. Labour have some truly nasty people in their ranks.

As we've all experienced. The nastiest posters on MN are always Labour supporters.

Sneering, snitching and ill informed.

Some of them, of course.

Isn’t snitching a horrible word. No one should be a snitch. A squealer, a rat, a betrayer. I can well imagine socialist governments and organisations are rife with them.. nasty..

True.
Although they are a dying breed on mn. Irrelevance is lethal in politics

You only have to look to the socialist/communist governments behind the Iron Curtain and Indo China to see just how awful it can become.
Sometimes I look to the future and all I can see is the past. Have we learned nothing?

I had a look at the workers rights bill, and I was struck by section 25 - public sector outsourcing of contracts

It seems to cover situations where civil service jobs are ousourced to private companies, and employees move across - so effectively tupe out of the civil service

A Minister of the Crown may by regulations specify provision to be included in a relevant outsourcing contract for the purpose of ensuring that—
(a) transferring workers of a specified description are treated no less favourably as workers of the supplier than they were as workers of the contracting authority, and
(b)workers of the supplier who are not transferring workers and are of a specified description are treated no less favourably than those transferring workers.

Now I'm assuming that civil servants would already be protected under TUPE to the same extent as workers already in the private sector. If they aren't, then they should be.

TUPE already has protection of terms and conditions, but TUPE does have a fairly wide get-out clause with 'economic, technical or organisational reason’ (ETO). In practice, they'll offer you the job and make limited provision to honour your existing terms, but the new employer is able to ensure it works for them too - and if you disagree with any of the new terms then you just don't accept the TUPE and have no job. That's the balance which has been struck between workers rights and the ability for businesses to be flexible.

Why on earth should civil servants get extra gold-plated protections that no one else does?!? Is this yet another way to sabotage any attempts to scale back the cost of the state?

It's because they only value public sector jobs and cow tow to the unions.

Private sector is evil and to be destroyed, as we can see they are starting to do.

@strawberrybubblegum I swear it was the biggest revelation of my life I had always been self employed and had to get a job in Covid. Finally I understood what breed councils and civil servants were it was an eye opener

Yes you see it on here. The rush to report, the silencing of concerns over women’s safety. We’re in Orwell territory now.

😀indeed.

You’re right, I’d never thought of it like that. I’ve always found the rush to report to mummy (ok MN admin), rather extraordinary. But yes, I see it makes complete sense now! God how depressing.

I more meant if someone says there’s a post on FB you get a whole load of posters saying yes report to work get them sacked.

The attack on the royal family, not just the rogues but the institution. Not just here the Spanish ones have had issues too. It's wrapped up as gossip but usually negative.

The thought of a president doesn't sit well somehow.

Does anybody know what the reality of the day-one employment protection is likely to be? I seemed to recall that there was a probationary provision so googled and it seems that is proposed. But what’s the probable outcome in the real world?

If an employer wants to dismiss an employee within a statutory probationary period (9 months?) what might happen, in terms of what’s in the Bill? Does the employee have a right to bring an unfair dismissal claim of some sort within the 9 months (if that period is right)?

Either way, this clearly makes life much more difficult for employers because the two-year period is being abolished. Dreadful regressive legislation that will lead to a big expansion of the (not so small) cottage industry in vexatious tribunal claims, for which employers can hardly ever recover their costs.

?!! That’s even worse. Didn’t know that was a thing. 🙈

I think benefit fraud should be reported to the DWP / HMRC (not sure which), as that’s stealing money from taxpayers.

Weirdly, there seems to be a 'mind your own business' attitude re benefit fraud reporting from the left (or that I've seen on threads on MN). It's bloody weird.

Re reporting to MN, people kept reporting some of my posts on a particular FWR thread last year, so under the influence of wine I went on a tit for tat reporting spree of my own (particularly as one person claimed they weren't breaking talk guidelines). It was childish, but amused me for a short while (and proved the aforementioned poster wrong as well!). Generally I'm not one to report unless I suspect troll / begging posts / spam.

Its all a bit wishy washy at the moment. The 9 month period is just a proposal and not set in stone. My understanding of it is that employees absolutely will be able to bring claims in that 9 month period (if it is 9 months). Employers will need to be fully watertight if they dismiss in that period, and the dismissal can only be for specific reasons. Claims are expected to go up as the gov also want to increase the time in which employees can make a claim from 3 months of termination to 6 months. Although there is expected to be a cap on awards for successful claims, as if that's some kind of compensation!

That's my understanding of it so far, I'm no expert but I have been trying to read up on it as I employ people.
Reality is this will discourage employment. I'm already leaning towards agency staff, and it certainly won't help women of child-bearing age gain employment. I know that makes me sound heartless, but its true.

The fact it’s a left wing think tank saying don’t do this is pretty stark.

Just back from a run - it’s gorgeous out there - fresh but bright.

Long story/short and avoiding being outy - just bumped into a neighbour also running - I only know her on passing terms, as she’s a bit younger than me so has kids in v early teens. I said hi but she stopped to talk. In essence, her DH lost his job in the City end of last year and has not managed to get anything else - she hinted that he had initially turned down some lower paying roles. They have/had decided to separate but are forced to remain living in the family home as there were no buyers over the summer.

Whilst she did not, I am going to blame Reeves’s budget last year - for the job market, the housing market, the uncertainty - all of which falls squarely on this government. Imagine how many times similar stories must be unfolding around the UK.

I get so bloody angry with it all.