Labour isn't working - Thread 14

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Thanks @TheNuthatch! Matt cartoon always good to start

Checking in

Thank you for this thread. Feels like there is some hope

I’m definitely one of those witches!

Morning! Signing in. Thanks for starting next thread @TheNuthatch

#wearethewitches. 🤣🤣

I’m just bringing @Nolletimiere great post over as we still have people who demand even state support, even higher taxes on the same people, lower numbers working etc

The demand will always go up unless some reality is imposed.

So, we are now borrowing over £180bn a year and spending £110bn a year on debt repayments, because 53.3% of all UK households are taking more in benefits/services than they contribute in all taxes (in 1977 it was 37%).

The current trajectory takes it to 60% by ~2045 and 70% by ~2080. The percentage of retired households receiving more in benefits and services than contributing in all taxes is 90.1% (93.5% in 1977), and 45.8% of non-retired households (29.5% in 1977).
We have 9.4m of working age not in employment and ‘economically inactive’. We have 9.9 million working age who receive some form of DWP benefit. Just one secondary school place (£7.5k) takes the income tax of two £30k earners to cover the cost.

We have a crooked system where someone on £150k pays FIFTEEN TIMES more income tax than someone earning £30k. And is generally despised for it; even though they are paying for the benefits and welfare of dozens of people.

UTTER INSANITY.

Thank you for the new thread @TheNuthatch

I think that post is really important too @EasternStandard too good to be left languishing at the end of the last thread.

Thanks nuthatch.

Re the Oxford Union saga,
Any political ambitions he may have had are now in tatters. You don't recover from something like this

One would hope, but I fear there are plenty of those who support George Abaraonye’s views.
However, if his political ambitions come to nought there is always I’m a Celebrity and similar.
He’s got the supreme leader of lost causes, Jolyon Maugham, on his side so who knows what’s next.

Thanks for the new thread. The last one barely ran for 6 days so as we get closer to the Budget we’ll probably be on thread #20 at this rate!

No wonder the grooming gang enquiry is on its arse when the victims are being asked to reframe their experience through the trip wire language of the political sensibilities of the easily offended.

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/f8dab417cb86e92c

I sometimes take offence when retired households are mentioned in these figures. The majority of pensioners have paid there dues, I know I have, so I think it's a bit scurrilous to include them. The usual idea is that today's workers pay for yesterday.s worker's pension and thus it goes on. I just wish someone would tell the gen Z'ers who complain so loudly about us babyboomers.

I'm so sick of this bollocks.
I've just heard that another victim has also resigned from that committee, so two have now walked away.

Thanks from me too @EasternStandard. Its an excellent post.

I just made it in time this morning. I need a deputy 😂

Yes, I was quite relieved when Casey report demonstrated willingness to accept that we cannot work from the unsafe assumptions engineered in other reports to fit the acceptable outcome.

And now this is happening informally within this enquiry through the meddling of the victim liaison officer who is citing those unsafe reports to silence the victims. For Fucks Sake.

Thank you @TheNuthatch.

That Matt cartoon is so appropriate; there's a whole coven of us here (well in excess of the traditional 13) feeling exactly like that.

YouGov polling

Reform - 27 (-1)
Lab - 20 (-)
Con - 17 (-)
LD - 15 (-)
Gr - 15 (+2)

Starmer has now changed his mind about going to the COP summit thanks to the Greens success post conference 😂

Oh no! No no no! You’re not allowed that. It must be an Equal.

Tsk tsk, “Comrade” surely? 😜

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Greens now have more members than conservatives

I find that quite worrying. props to their team for doing some excellent PR recently, but yeah, it worries me.

(hopefully this is a thread where we can discuss PR neutrally, whatever you think of them, I think the comms team have done well)

Triggernometry have done an open invitation, or challenge, for Zach to come on their show.

This makes me livid what's happening with this enquiry. It's being deliberately manipulated to protect the perpetrators. It makes me wonder who exactly is Starmer and the rest of the Labour Government trying to protect? Just how bad is it? Labour or anyone affiliated to labour simply cannot be trusted to run this enquiry. It needs to be totally independent.

I know, I feel the same. I was worried this would happen when the inquiry was announced.

There are reports that already, there are requests to expand the remit of the inquiry to include other cases of sexual abuse, which can only be for the purpose of diluting the uncomfortable truth.