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TheNuthatch · 2025-10-21T07:54:31+00:00

A chat thread for those who *don't *like this Labour government. ^The problem with socialism^*^ ^*^is that you eventually run out of other people's money.^ Previous thread [[https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5427475-labour-isnt-working-thread-13 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5427475-labour-isnt-working-thread-13?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share]]

upseedaisee · 21/10/2025 18:57

strawberrybubblegum · 21/10/2025 18:50

Let's ignore the numpties, folks.

Yes please!

Done with them.

RockaLock · 21/10/2025 19:03

thatsmyhouse · 21/10/2025 18:49

Should wealthy individuals have to give away everything except, say £40k a year to live on? Or maybe they need to give away even more? Where would you draw the line?
And should that apply to everyone, or only to people with more money than you

Come on, that's just silly isn't it? But, yes, I obviously think people with more money than me should pay more, just as I should pay more than those with less than me. That's just basic.

You are in the camp of “it’s not fair that someone has more money than me, so they should be forced to give it all away”. It must be difficult to go through life being that bitter.

Rubbish, I'm not bitter. No one is asking them to give it all away, but obviously they have to pay more. All this angst about us 'relying' on them is just illogical. Who else would we be relying - the poor?! Of course the wealthy have to pay more.

I'm not stupid enough to think people have plenty of money would never struggle about other things, and I am very sorry to hear about your son, but of course all children with health conditions should be supported, regardless of the parents' income or wealth, and much of the cost of that will have to be borne by the state, which is why we need those who can to pay more.

So quite frankly you can fuck right off with your sanctimonious “the rich must be bled dry” attitude. It’s not welcome here.

It's not me who sounds bitter, to be honest.

There we go again. “People with more money than me should pay more than me”. “Of course the wealthy should pay more”.

No one is arguing that they shouldn’t! Show me where I, or anyone on this thread, has said that wealthy people should pay more than poorer people?

But do you really not understand that they already do pay more? Both in absolute terms, and as a percentage of their income.

And yes, of course no one is saying that “the poor” should be paying for everything. But if you drive “the rich” away, then who is there left to pay for everything?!

I’m not bitter about anything, except for maybe my son, through a quirk of genetics, being like he is. And not even really then - he’s a fantastic little boy. Just doesn’t deserve to have all the crap to put up with that he does.

But I’m not bitter. I’m just cross about the constant pitting one group against another that our current govt goes in for. Such negative politics, it’s never good.

RockaLock · 21/10/2025 19:04

strawberrybubblegum · 21/10/2025 18:50

Let's ignore the numpties, folks.

Yes, sorry, I should. It’s absolutely pointless. And bad for my blood pressure!

thatsmyhouse · 21/10/2025 19:05

she was assuming that the economy would tick along the way it was under the Conservatives,

Ahem, over-simplifying you say?

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 21/10/2025 19:06

Apologies if already discussed…

I see that strike action is planned by Border Force staff.

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/border-force-staff-back-strike-action#:~:text=Border%20Force%20staff%20who%20work,on%20a%20turnout%20of%2080%25.

It’s pretty obvious that this is exploiting a government weak point.

You just know that this will be decried by MN’s Labour supporters. Yet when train drivers, doctors etc came out under the Tories it was all “they have to inconvenience people and pressure the government to be effective”. Not when the inconvenience and embarrassment is to a Labour government though, apparently.

Border Force patrol staff back strike action

Crews who tackle small boat gangs and smugglers in English Channel vote for action over six-year wait for allowances to be updated

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/border-force-staff-back-strike-action#:~:text=Border%20Force%20staff%20who%20work,on%20a%20turnout%20of%2080%25.

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TheNuthatch · 21/10/2025 19:07

We are popular at the moment 😂. We must be doing something right, keep going!

Even when I write the op, and put certain words in bold, they still don't understand.

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AbsentosaurusRex · 21/10/2025 19:09

Rachel Reeves will launch a £2 billion tax raid on lawyers, family doctors and accountants.

😆😆🙈🙈🙈 It gets better. If that’s true.., wtaf is wrong with her?

Nolletimiere · 21/10/2025 19:10

Ditto.

I am ignoring the bad actors, too.

upseedaisee · 21/10/2025 19:10

AbsentosaurusRex · 21/10/2025 19:09

Rachel Reeves will launch a £2 billion tax raid on lawyers, family doctors and accountants.

😆😆🙈🙈🙈 It gets better. If that’s true.., wtaf is wrong with her?

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One wonders if Starmer is included in this raid, or is he exempt?

AbsentosaurusRex · 21/10/2025 19:12

Nolletimiere · 21/10/2025 19:10

Ditto.

I am ignoring the bad actors, too.

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What bad actors?

MantleStatue · 21/10/2025 19:16

I actually worked for a while with someone who opined loudly and often that no-one needed more than 30k a year as a salary before tax to live on and anyone who earned more than that should have it taken from them.

She regarded any questions about why people would spend years of their time and expense gaining such qualifications as being a doctor or surgeon; an engineer; start their way at the bottom of the heap in the military; become a teacher with all the stresses that brings ' a vet etc as a nonsense. These were all vocations and anyone stupid enough to do it should still have their recompense taken from them. People who started up businesses and employed others- well, they were clearly private sector arseholes who should also have everything they invested and earned taken from them.

I worked with her in a role I left in 2013. She's a senior person in the public sector now and I do wonder how she feels- if she still feels that other people ought to be taxed until they bleed white. I suspect she does. I also wonder how much of her salary she gives away. I also happen to know that she lives in Fulham.

Nolletimiere · 21/10/2025 19:18

AbsentosaurusRex · 21/10/2025 19:12

What bad actors?

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Rivalled · 21/10/2025 19:20

I thinktotal state control and income smoothing (except for senior party members) has been tried many times - it’s never worked out well has it?

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TheNuthatch · 21/10/2025 19:21

MantleStatue · 21/10/2025 19:16

I actually worked for a while with someone who opined loudly and often that no-one needed more than 30k a year as a salary before tax to live on and anyone who earned more than that should have it taken from them.

She regarded any questions about why people would spend years of their time and expense gaining such qualifications as being a doctor or surgeon; an engineer; start their way at the bottom of the heap in the military; become a teacher with all the stresses that brings ' a vet etc as a nonsense. These were all vocations and anyone stupid enough to do it should still have their recompense taken from them. People who started up businesses and employed others- well, they were clearly private sector arseholes who should also have everything they invested and earned taken from them.

I worked with her in a role I left in 2013. She's a senior person in the public sector now and I do wonder how she feels- if she still feels that other people ought to be taxed until they bleed white. I suspect she does. I also wonder how much of her salary she gives away. I also happen to know that she lives in Fulham.

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I'm sure she's still spouting the same rubbish, but instead of her original £30k threshold, it will be a figure just above what she now earns 😂.

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MantleStatue · 21/10/2025 19:25

Sooner or later you run out of other peoples money, as you say.

Ed Davies 'wealth tax' in the election was clearly set at above what he personally had. So is the currently mooted wealth tax that has been chucked around as a possible figure before the next budget.

People always think a fair tax is something someone else has to pay.

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TheNuthatch · 21/10/2025 19:26

DenizenOfAisleOfShame · 21/10/2025 19:06

Apologies if already discussed…

I see that strike action is planned by Border Force staff.

https://www.civilserviceworld.com/professions/article/border-force-staff-back-strike-action#:~:text=Border%20Force%20staff%20who%20work,on%20a%20turnout%20of%2080%25.

It’s pretty obvious that this is exploiting a government weak point.

You just know that this will be decried by MN’s Labour supporters. Yet when train drivers, doctors etc came out under the Tories it was all “they have to inconvenience people and pressure the government to be effective”. Not when the inconvenience and embarrassment is to a Labour government though, apparently.

Spot on. Its no longer convenient for strikes to go ahead now Labour are in office.

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AbsentosaurusRex · 21/10/2025 19:27

MantleStatue · 21/10/2025 19:25

Sooner or later you run out of other peoples money, as you say.

Ed Davies 'wealth tax' in the election was clearly set at above what he personally had. So is the currently mooted wealth tax that has been chucked around as a possible figure before the next budget.

People always think a fair tax is something someone else has to pay.

Yes. No one ever seems happy to define ‘wealth’. Funny that.

strawberrybubblegum · 21/10/2025 19:28

Rivalled · 21/10/2025 19:20

I thinktotal state control and income smoothing (except for senior party members) has been tried many times - it’s never worked out well has it?

it’s never worked out well has it

Not for anyone other than the party leaders, no.

Plus ça change...

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TheNuthatch · 21/10/2025 19:28

MantleStatue · 21/10/2025 19:25

Sooner or later you run out of other peoples money, as you say.

Ed Davies 'wealth tax' in the election was clearly set at above what he personally had. So is the currently mooted wealth tax that has been chucked around as a possible figure before the next budget.

People always think a fair tax is something someone else has to pay.

Yep, it's always the same predictable nonsense. Most of them seem to find their way into public sector roles too.

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strawberrybubblegum · 21/10/2025 19:30

Although something has changed, actually. In the UK, people used to believe that Left wing parties were 'nicer'.

This lot have their scnouts in the trough more than any previous party I can remember, so that Illusion has surely been shattered once and for all.

EasternStandard · 21/10/2025 19:32

strawberrybubblegum · 21/10/2025 19:30

Although something has changed, actually. In the UK, people used to believe that Left wing parties were 'nicer'.

This lot have their scnouts in the trough more than any previous party I can remember, so that Illusion has surely been shattered once and for all.

Absolutely. They are mean, supercilious and grabby.

Nolletimiere · 21/10/2025 19:32

strawberrybubblegum · 21/10/2025 19:30

Although something has changed, actually. In the UK, people used to believe that Left wing parties were 'nicer'.

This lot have their scnouts in the trough more than any previous party I can remember, so that Illusion has surely been shattered once and for all.

Spot on.

Labour truly are the ‘nasty’ party.

They will be out for at least 14 years after this debacle.

thatsmyhouse · 21/10/2025 19:34

MantleStatue · 21/10/2025 19:25

Sooner or later you run out of other peoples money, as you say.

Ed Davies 'wealth tax' in the election was clearly set at above what he personally had. So is the currently mooted wealth tax that has been chucked around as a possible figure before the next budget.

People always think a fair tax is something someone else has to pay.

What, like these people?

Millionaires urge MPs “tax us, the super-rich” to avoid cuts and invest in Britain — Patriotic Millionaires UK

“Tax our wealth” - that’s the message from millionaires in the UK who are taking their campaign across the country and into the capital ahead of the Government’s Spring Statement. On Tuesday 18 March, Patriotic Millionaires UK will be travelling aro...

https://patrioticmillionaires.uk/latest-news/millionaires-urge-mps-tax-us-the-super-rich-to-avoid-cuts-and-invest-in-britain

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TheNuthatch · 21/10/2025 19:36

strawberrybubblegum · 21/10/2025 19:30

Although something has changed, actually. In the UK, people used to believe that Left wing parties were 'nicer'.

This lot have their scnouts in the trough more than any previous party I can remember, so that Illusion has surely been shattered once and for all.

You're absolutely right about the current batch of snouts, but I don't think the illusion is shattered at all. All over MN, just as superior as ever despite everything we've experienced since their heros finally took power.
They seem to be pretending that Starmer no longer exists so they can keep the fantasy alive. Look at the polling for hypno-tits. I mean, come on.

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TheNuthatch · 21/10/2025 19:37

thatsmyhouse · 21/10/2025 19:34

What, like these people?

Millionaires urge MPs “tax us, the super-rich” to avoid cuts and invest in Britain — Patriotic Millionaires UK

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Are you just here to goad and derail? Yes or no.

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