Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

I have only ever seen him talk about the trans debate, often at colleges like this one and to be honest I agreed with his points. He articulated himself well and often it was the people he was debating with that became rude and disrespectful.

In any case it doesn’t really matter what your views are, you can’t go around shooting someone who you don’t agree with. That’s not how the civilised world works. I feel very sad for his family and friends.

Agreed, and the there has been manipulation on a macro scale via social media/other media by the right-wing to encourage fear and hatred of things that don’t exist in any influential way in the Western world - Marxism, Communism, and anything that might be described as ‘far-left’. The patterns are obvious once you notice them, as are the bots.

However much I might want that the likelihood of it happening is zero.

All those shooters probably had some twisted reason for being so. This shooting is no more important than any of those.

Never heard of Charlie Kirk and I'm an American living in UK.

At no point have I ever stated the "assignation" was justified; that is your assumption.

My statements on Charlie Kirk are clear, verifiable fact. I can go much, much further in listing out his moral crimes but this thread isn't for that and, honestly, most grown ups are capable of doing the research for themselves.

Many of his supporters would consider the ‘price’ of ‘freedom’ which he apparently did himself. Including when it came to shooting of children in schools.
So yes, there is an irony in him being a victim of gun violence in a country where gun violence is rife and conservative politicians, like Charlie, refuse to do anything whatsoever to address that issue.

So we agree then. DEI measures to recruit historically excluded talent are a good thing.

I think this is a new thread after the deletion of others I assume for that reason - I mean what sort of evil monster responds as one person did )amongst many similar posts) “jolly good” when a young father is shit in front of his kids. Social media is full of laughing emojis and similar gloating responses by the #bekind brigade.

In Trumps first term I heard an expert on the decline of the Roman Empire who was drawing direct parallels between the Roman Empire in its death throes and the US now. Then we have China/Russia/India coming together so it all signifies a potentially very significant shift in world power. How it all plays out is rather anxiety making.

No matter what he thought and said, the father of two small children has been killed, and that’s sad. Poor kids, it will affect them.

Are they really lovely because your white and straight ?

And for that he deserved to die?

They would be if that’s what they actually did. Include everyone on an equal basis

Would you say that about Hitler? I didnt think so, a dangerous man with dangerous views is gone.

I don’t know what has happened to peoples brains to say being ‘pro life is dangerous’

Read the actual words.

Saying you support life is dangerous?

You been politicised so much that you can’t be rational

Hamster, that isn’t what the posts are saying at all. They are not suggesting he deserved it. It might go some way to explain it, though.

It doesn’t surprise me in the slightest. They use it all the time on Facebook to try and ridicule the comments of people they don’t agree with. I guess they don’t have anything more constructive to say.

Just because you don’t agree with someone, doesn’t mean you should kill someone/ revel at their death. So much for the tolerant left.

I was told upthread that people aren’t gloating about his death.
you’ve just let your side down and revealed too much

Trying to be inclusive is one thing, but the FAA demonstrably lowered standards so more black applicants could pass. Colorblind policies are the only fair way to be inclusive yet maintain standards

Some people think pro large scale immigration policies are dangerous. Would they be justified in being happy that a pro immigration commentator was murdered?

Two intelligent people can look at the same facts and come up with two different solutions to a problem. Democracy is voting for the idea we agree with and testing it to see if it works.

Be careful. You are close to being radicalised if you believe for one second that because you think he was dangerous, that his dehumanisation isn't that big of a deal. Openly debating an opinion you consider abhorrent is never dangerous, it is an opportunity for you to hone your own thoughts and gather facts to disprove him, it is the life blood of civilatiaon.

Absolutely. Britain went through the same macro-changes when it's empire collapsed and it ceased to be the most powerful nation on Earth.
Now it's America's turn. I neither trumpet nor mourn that; it's simply an inevitable fact.

The next empire? Look to the east, I'd say.

I’ve reported it

I never said I think i think his beliefs are ok either???