Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

I keep thinking of the last minutes of the film The Social Dilemma. The interviewer asks a tech insider where he sees the growing polarisation caused by social media ending up. And he says simply ‘violence’.

Far left extremism is the greatest evil we face today.

I’m looking at a left wing forum, you know what the most common reaction to Charlie’s tragic death is? The laughing emoji. That tells you everything you need to know.

Rest in peace, Charlie.

I agree but there is a large proportion of Americans who loved him - those who didnt understand the nuances of the situations where abortion may be necessary. I know some very pro life christians who are absolutely lovely and amazing mothers and fathers - family before everything. To them a baby is always the most important and they genuinely dont see it as just cells. And let’s face it - if you saw it as a real baby you would always put it before a woman or girl who may not die, but the baby would die. This is their view and I dont think it makes them evil.

Most transwomen are older men.

I think you’ve misinterpreted what’s being said. There’s an expression of the repugnance a lot of people feel for the views he espoused. I personally wish it hadn’t happened. Trump now has a martyr.

Far left extremism is the greatest evil we face today.

Fixed it for you. Note the fix by omission; not change.

I've had to have a conversation with the children this morning, as no doubt some of their school friends may have seen the horrible video or try to show them it.

Reiterated to them that it is a very sad day for democracy, the same as when other politicians were murdered not long ago. That even though I didn't agree at all with this man's views, he did the right thing by engaging in open and fair debate.

That anyone who was happy he was murdered in front of his children, are as evil as those saying 'Good, they shouldn't have gotten on the boat should they' to the migrants drowning in the channel yesterday. That anyone who can dehumanise another person to the extent that their death is amusing is a monster, no matter how 'right' they may think they are.

My 9 year old autistic son seems better able to grasp that it is sad that a human we don't agree with has been killed than some grown women on this site last night who were crowing about it.

Where? On this thread?

You said the same about far right extremism when a democrat was shot dead and another injured a few months ago, right? Right?

It’s getting easier and easier to spot the bad guys now

There were a terrifying amount on the first few deleted threads. A mix of smugness, smiley faces and breathtaking hypocrisy.

It certainly is.

Saying he would of been better off letting women decide if they want an abortion or not, since its their life & their bodies!
Not long ago a women was only a few weeks pregnant and declared brain dead & the hospital forced the family for the women to carry the baby to term so it could be born even though she was brain dead! How is that okay? It was because of people like Charlie Kirks views why that happened - of course people will be angry.
imagine being that child knowing your mum was brain dead and still forced to continue the pregnancy - going to mess that poor child & their family up for life!

America is fucked. The far left are just as bad as the far right. Nothing but hatred and vitriol towards one another. At the end of the day a young man lost his life in a horrific targeted attack. Anyone trying to justify it in any way is vile.

Well he was a pro gun activist and even school children being massacred wasn't enough to change his mind, so he was already "advocating for more death" IMHO.

Oh god I didn’t realise they saw it, poor kids 😭😭😭😭

'Pro-lifers' do advocate for more death - women's deaths. When you remove the right to abortion, women and girls die. Anti-abortionists are in no way truly pro life; they just don't value women's lives. And that includes the women who are anti-abortion who, much like Kirk, imagine every that they won't ever be the collateral damage of the policies they advocate.

Exactly. Maybe if he campaigned for better gun laws it wouldnt of happened….

I'm concerned that Jezebel cursed him two days before he was shot...

You state with such confidence that it has been “debunked”. Actually it hasn’t, someone has simply stated a position.

Numbers of cars on the road has continued to increase, safety features cannot keep up with this. Rates on injuries and deaths have fluctuated over the last 20 years and actually peaked during Covid when far fewer people were driving. This indicates that the majority of the decline in deaths and serious injuries could be argued to be related to the availability and level of healthcare available rather than than simply safety features.

Do you think the societal benefits of a car outweigh the 5 deaths and 80 injuries per day as a result of RTAs (average 2014-2023 BRAKE) this isn’t even counting the deaths and illness related to traffic pollution or the larger environmental impacts related to production.
Really what advantages do cars have?
enabling the speeding up of life? The spreading out of families. Friends? Enabling a long unproductive commute? If cars were banned tomorrow life would adapt. We managed without them for 99,9999999999% of our history
So no, the position hasn’t been “debunked” deaths, injury and illness have been justified on some people’s minds due to their own philosophy and priorities.

I don’t think it’s meant to be clever it is more that the irony is unavoidable.

You’re confused because someone started a thread about a man who was murdered (seemingly) for expressing certain opinions? What’s so confusing about it?

This is a deeply unpleasant attempt at dehumanisation in order to justify the assignation of a man for having beliefs that are different to yours. Have a hard look at yourself.

If a high profile left wing figure was killed. I expect you would want people to show respect and not immediately use a thread about their death to talk about the problems with their views.

You can only believe what you say if you don’t think life starts at conception.

Fine. But I disagree as do many other people.

I think it’s pretty obvious the person who killed CK had no regard for human life, so at least it’s consistent