Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Chat

Join the discussion and chat with other Mumsnetters about everyday life, relationships and parenting.

Charlie Kirk dead

1000 replies

Booneymil · 10/09/2025 23:20

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
8
MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 09:36

Crikeyalmighty · 11/09/2025 09:33

any death in this situation is dreadful and should be punished accordingly and no I’m not ok with the ‘well that’s one less of them views of ‘some’ , but I don’t get the ‘nice guy, only wants to protect women and children ‘ stuff - Take a look at the hate filled stuff he espouses , ‘all gays should be stoned, women should be under the control of their husband, birth control banned, a whole litany of retrograde Andrew Tate type stuff - I get ‘free speech and all that’ and certainly no one should die for that, but it certainly doesn’t make him a ‘nice guy, protecting women and children ’ with those kind of views and I’m most certainly not ‘looney left’ - if you agree with his views then fine, but don’t try and tell everyone else we are all ‘looney left’ for not agreeing with those views.

Now I’m sure i have actually heard those views somewhere before in a context the left fall over themselves to support

Livelovebehappy · 11/09/2025 09:37

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Scarey isn't it? And we live and walk amongst these people. They need serious therapy if they think its OK to celebrate someones death for having views different to their own......

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:37

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2025 09:33

If you truly believe that l feel very sorry for you.

It’s clear that the point is going right over your head, isn’t it? I recognise from other threads that missing the point is a common occurrence for you, so let me really spell it out:

Hitler did terrible, awful, inhumane things and was able to do them just by using his words and his influence. So when people say that Charlie Kirk and others of his ilk are just debating and it’s only words, they are negating the effect those words can have.

This is not saying Kirk is like Hitler, this is not saying that Hitler didn’t do terrible and awful things. This is saying that you can’t dismiss it as “only words” when it can bring about awful consequences.

BananaPeels · 11/09/2025 09:37

Rewis · 11/09/2025 09:35

That's fair enough. I just personally don't need his viewpoints and his made up "facts". I don't mind debating wether NATO expansions is a good idea and learning avout bith sides. But if your reasoning being against it is Finland being very Russian and further proof was them being neutral in WWII. I don't mind hearing if covid vaccine was a good idea or not, but claiming Jamie Foxx was left blind because of it as proof why your opinion is right.

I can't even touch the other random crap like how birth control makes women angry and bitter or how Taylor Swift should submit to her man and become conservative. I just struggle to see these as alternative points of view that could teach me something.

Then you would have been well within your rights to rebut his arguments with your facts. That is how debate works

Serpentstooth · 11/09/2025 09:38

I do wish many of those American Christians would acquaint themselves with the New Testament so they might better understand the teachings of Christ. If he were here now he would weep at being so misrepresented.

Tillow4ever · 11/09/2025 09:39

My husband came into the room where I was working this morning and gleefully said “did you hear about Trumps mate who got shot” then laughed. I replied that yes I’d heard but the guy died so it’s not really funny. He said “yeah but he’s Trump’s friend so he’s probably an arsehole”. I said “he might well have been, that doesn’t mean he deserved to be murdered”.

i cannot understand anyone being gleeful that someone that hasn’t done something to them personally can be glad someone is dead. He was someone’s child. He has people that loved him. I don’t know if he had kids, but if he did, those children no longer have their father.

Please consider the people he’s left behind before getting excited about the situation. And consider what it’s going to do for the political landscape over there. I can’t imagine it’s going to improve anything…

InvisibleSockLady · 11/09/2025 09:39

Livelovebehappy · 11/09/2025 09:37

Scarey isn't it? And we live and walk amongst these people. They need serious therapy if they think its OK to celebrate someones death for having views different to their own......

There's a lot of it about - always a lot of social media celebration of migrant deaths in the Channel. The comments on those stories are full of people delighted to see children drown. Lots of people are very willing to gloat about the deaths of others online.

Fabrikick · 11/09/2025 09:40

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:02

I feel sad for his children, but I will not mourn the death of a man who died as a direct result of trying to spread hate. He stated very publicly that gun deaths are the acceptable price to pay to have the second amendment, and that children being shot to death at school were collateral damage to maintain the freedoms of gun ownership. He said that empathy was a woke invention and a danger to society. So I will not waste my empathy on someone who despised it, who died in a way he publicly stated he was just fine with.

What he said in context:

AUDIENCE QUESTION: How's it going, Charlie? I'm Austin. I just had a question related to Second Amendment rights. We saw the shooting that happened recently and a lot of people are upset. But, I'm seeing people argue for the other side that they want to take our Second Amendment rights away. How do we convince them that it's important to have the right to defend ourselves and all that good stuff?

CHARLIE KIRK: Yeah, it's a great question. Thank you. So, I'm a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don't know, because I actually speak my mind.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you — "wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that" — well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th-century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.

Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.

You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.

So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don't know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows? Notice there's not a lot of mass shootings at gun shows, there's all these guns. Because everyone's armed. If our money and our sporting events and our airplanes have armed guards, why don't our children?

He also said that about empathy followed by stating he thought sympathy was preferable.

I don't agree with what he said necessarily, but these cherry picked soundbites to try and prove a point are ignorant.

TheCatsTongue · 11/09/2025 09:40

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:37

It’s clear that the point is going right over your head, isn’t it? I recognise from other threads that missing the point is a common occurrence for you, so let me really spell it out:

Hitler did terrible, awful, inhumane things and was able to do them just by using his words and his influence. So when people say that Charlie Kirk and others of his ilk are just debating and it’s only words, they are negating the effect those words can have.

This is not saying Kirk is like Hitler, this is not saying that Hitler didn’t do terrible and awful things. This is saying that you can’t dismiss it as “only words” when it can bring about awful consequences.

I think you're messing the very obvious point that Hitler was a ruler who had control over his nation's policies and armies.

Hitler just used words? He used military force.

Petitchat · 11/09/2025 09:40

Financial · 10/09/2025 23:33

He was much younger than I thought he was.

Yeah, he had a sort of old fashioned look about him.
This is a sad loss.

lifeturnsonadime · 11/09/2025 09:41

CurlewKate · 11/09/2025 08:56

Not on here, thankfully. But saying that people are is a good way of deflecting the discussion.

You clearly haven't had sight of some of the now deleted posts.

I'm not deflecting any discussion.

What would you like to discuss? Do you think killing someone for their political views is ever acceptable? I don't.

whatwouldafeministdo · 11/09/2025 09:41

BananaPeels · 11/09/2025 09:29

How can you not be sad someone is dead? That is weird.

Even If someone held the most polar opposite of views to mine- literally no common ground, if still be said of something bad happened to them.

what on earth is wrong with society?

This.

I think anyone saying 'I'm not sad he's dead' really needs to watch the 'are we the baddies' Mitchell and Webb sketch. Yes, you are, because you've lost basic humanity.

This man had small children who have lost a father they loved and may well have witnessed something unbelievably traumatic and will be deeply traumatised. If the family released footage of them crying will that change these people's minds? Probably not I guess.

It's a tragedy, whether or not you agree with his views. This type of senseless violence and tacit or open support of it never benefits anyone.

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 11/09/2025 09:41

1dayatatime · 11/09/2025 09:30

I'm just surprised that his assassination has been blamed on the Israelis yet.

I mean if you can repackage some fuckwit letting off a flare gun and getting it all wrong as an Israeli drone attack travelling 3000 km from Israel then I'm sure someone will reinvent CK's murder as a Mossad assassination.

Mmmm, he was very pro Israel. He said he didn’t believe Palestine was a country. I can’t imagine mossad would do this

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:41

InvisibleSockLady · 11/09/2025 09:39

There's a lot of it about - always a lot of social media celebration of migrant deaths in the Channel. The comments on those stories are full of people delighted to see children drown. Lots of people are very willing to gloat about the deaths of others online.

What’s worse is it’s the same people. The ones saying people are disgusting for not being sad Charlie Kirk is dead are the same ones leaving laugh emojis on news about drowned migrants and hoping that they drown in the channel. In fact, some of the usernames on here saying how tragic it is that he’s died and how monstrous people are if they aren’t sad were literally on a thread about immigration the other day saying that migrants who drown in the channel have died due to their own fault, they knew the risks etc

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2025 09:42

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:32

Please find me one example where Hitler personally pulled the trigger, pressed the gas chamber button or stabbed someone. I’ll wait.

That’s literally MY WHOLE POINT. That words are NOT just saying things. Words have power and influence and can do terrible things. Hitler brought about the death of millions just with his words and influence.

Ah, now you’ve added influence, which is a whole different ballgame because words are nothing if they don’t influence. But the blood of those killed in the holocaust and many more is on the hands of Hitler. What happened was due to his vision, and the deaths are attributable to him - just as he was responsible for the deaths of the 5000 men who were hunted down and killed after the attempt on Hitlers’ life. He ordered the purge. He signed the death warrants. He ordered Rommel to commit suicide to avoid his family being persecuted. These are not words. These are actions, and they had lethal consequences.

Fabrikick · 11/09/2025 09:43

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:41

What’s worse is it’s the same people. The ones saying people are disgusting for not being sad Charlie Kirk is dead are the same ones leaving laugh emojis on news about drowned migrants and hoping that they drown in the channel. In fact, some of the usernames on here saying how tragic it is that he’s died and how monstrous people are if they aren’t sad were literally on a thread about immigration the other day saying that migrants who drown in the channel have died due to their own fault, they knew the risks etc

Aye, people on the extreme end of both sides can be abhorrent.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 09:43

Livelovebehappy · 11/09/2025 09:37

Scarey isn't it? And we live and walk amongst these people. They need serious therapy if they think its OK to celebrate someones death for having views different to their own......

Not only that they think it’s “poetic” it’s. Absolutely sick. The scary thing is they don’t appear to have any kind of awareness of the abhorrent nature of their views.

fatphalange · 11/09/2025 09:43

‘Ohhh no one should be (un)accountable just for having certain political beliefs, wouldn’t life be boring’…like politics are just some mere little thing! Political beliefs shape entire nations. Indoctrinate. Cause or prevent wars. Influence directly legislation. Affect every aspect of everyone’s lives. Women’s lives. They are pretty fucking relevant and indicative as to the type of person who holds them.
Do I have anything to say about this particular man and everything he stood for? No. Nothing.

Anonentity · 11/09/2025 09:43

BananaPeels · 11/09/2025 09:12

But I wouldn’t - that’s the point. I don’t think he was far right. American politics is very different to the UK and impossible to reconcile directly. What we feel about guns is very different to the US. I would ban them all absolutely but having spent years travelling the US it is absolutely something most Brits wouldn’t understand

It’s not about reconciliation of thought or feeling between UK and US. Or even if he was far right or not, he is telling people that the gun deaths of their loved ones are worth it to have a gun availability. The statistics speak for themselves. And sadly now he is one of them.

Just because use of guns has become ingrained in cultural identity for many Americans, it doesn’t mean it’s right and shouldn’t change.

InvisibleSockLady · 11/09/2025 09:43

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:41

What’s worse is it’s the same people. The ones saying people are disgusting for not being sad Charlie Kirk is dead are the same ones leaving laugh emojis on news about drowned migrants and hoping that they drown in the channel. In fact, some of the usernames on here saying how tragic it is that he’s died and how monstrous people are if they aren’t sad were literally on a thread about immigration the other day saying that migrants who drown in the channel have died due to their own fault, they knew the risks etc

I know, that's why I keep pointing it out - there's also a lot of hypocrisy around!

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:43

Fabrikick · 11/09/2025 09:40

What he said in context:

AUDIENCE QUESTION: How's it going, Charlie? I'm Austin. I just had a question related to Second Amendment rights. We saw the shooting that happened recently and a lot of people are upset. But, I'm seeing people argue for the other side that they want to take our Second Amendment rights away. How do we convince them that it's important to have the right to defend ourselves and all that good stuff?

CHARLIE KIRK: Yeah, it's a great question. Thank you. So, I'm a big Second Amendment fan but I think most politicians are cowards when it comes to defending why we have a Second Amendment. This is why I would not be a good politician, or maybe I would, I don't know, because I actually speak my mind.

The Second Amendment is not about hunting. I love hunting. The Second Amendment is not even about personal defense. That is important. The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you — "wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that" — well then, you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th-century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families.

Now, we must also be real. We must be honest with the population. Having an armed citizenry comes with a price, and that is part of liberty. Driving comes with a price. 50,000, 50,000, 50,000 people die on the road every year. That's a price. You get rid of driving, you'd have 50,000 less auto fatalities. But we have decided that the benefit of driving — speed, accessibility, mobility, having products, services — is worth the cost of 50,000 people dying on the road. So we need to be very clear that you're not going to get gun deaths to zero. It will not happen. You could significantly reduce them through having more fathers in the home, by having more armed guards in front of schools. We should have a honest and clear reductionist view of gun violence, but we should not have a utopian one.

You will never live in a society when you have an armed citizenry and you won't have a single gun death. That is nonsense. It's drivel. But I am, I, I — I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe.

So then, how do you reduce? Very simple. People say, oh, Charlie, how do you stop school shootings? I don't know. How did we stop shootings at baseball games? Because we have armed guards outside of baseball games. That's why. How did we stop all the shootings at airports? We have armed guards outside of airports. How do we stop all the shootings at banks? We have armed guards outside of banks. How did we stop all the shootings at gun shows? Notice there's not a lot of mass shootings at gun shows, there's all these guns. Because everyone's armed. If our money and our sporting events and our airplanes have armed guards, why don't our children?

He also said that about empathy followed by stating he thought sympathy was preferable.

I don't agree with what he said necessarily, but these cherry picked soundbites to try and prove a point are ignorant.

You think that was the ONLY time he discussed it? Now who is cherry picking….

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:45

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2025 09:42

Ah, now you’ve added influence, which is a whole different ballgame because words are nothing if they don’t influence. But the blood of those killed in the holocaust and many more is on the hands of Hitler. What happened was due to his vision, and the deaths are attributable to him - just as he was responsible for the deaths of the 5000 men who were hunted down and killed after the attempt on Hitlers’ life. He ordered the purge. He signed the death warrants. He ordered Rommel to commit suicide to avoid his family being persecuted. These are not words. These are actions, and they had lethal consequences.

Edited

There goes the point again. Passing you by. The orders are the words. The actions were carried out by others. It was Hitler’s rhetoric that got him the influence.

Upstartled · 11/09/2025 09:45

What is the died malarkey? He didn't, y'know, fall over and crack his head on a table. He was murdered on a college campus. He was shot dead because some vengeful nutter didn't like his opinions.

Americasfavouritefightingfrenchman · 11/09/2025 09:45

BananaPeels · 11/09/2025 09:29

How can you not be sad someone is dead? That is weird.

Even If someone held the most polar opposite of views to mine- literally no common ground, if still be said of something bad happened to them.

what on earth is wrong with society?

It’s awful people have easy access to guns in the US and it’s awful that people (almost always men to be fair) kill each other but honestly no I don’t feel sad about this car. Why do you feel I should be sad or at least say I’m sad just because he’s dead? If you think someone is morally repugnant isn’t it a bit hypocritical to still say you are sad they died? I just thinks it’s more honest to say it’s sad anyone gets shot and I think we should take all reasonable measures to try and stop it happening to anyone but equally I’m not personally sad about what happened to him as an individual.

CurlewKate · 11/09/2025 09:45

lifeturnsonadime · 11/09/2025 09:41

You clearly haven't had sight of some of the now deleted posts.

I'm not deflecting any discussion.

What would you like to discuss? Do you think killing someone for their political views is ever acceptable? I don't.

No I haven’t. They were rightly deleted. Why do people persist in attributing the same views to unselected posters? And no I don’t think killing for political reasons is acceptable. I have said so about 6 times.
What do you think of Kirk’s statements about the acceptable collateral damage of second amendment rights?

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.
Swipe left for the next trending thread