Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

Awful. I don't understand the resistance to gun control.

I agree.

This is awful news. He had opinions others didnt necessarily like but if we all thought the same about everything life would be so dull. I agreed with him on some things and most definitely not on others.

Having an opinion should never be a reason to be shot.
So tragic for his wife, children and other loved ones.

I’m starting to think the only way out of this mess is for it all to come to a head. The simmering boiling pot of US politics is really holding the country back, it needs confronting head on, the sooner the better…only then will real progress be made to bridge the divide. So much anger and hate needs alleviating.

Every death is not a tragedy, unless you want to debase the meaning of the word.
This death was rather obviously ironic.
And the MNHQ censorship has been frankly weird. Having ‘two young children’ shouldn’t put someone beyond criticism.

New footage is on the daily mail now of the gun man on the roof.

He didn't deserve to die for his abhorrent views but they were absolutely abhorrent.

Didn't your countless YouTube clips include the part where he said if his daughter was raped at 10, he still didn't agree with abortion? That certainly isn't keeping women or girls safe.

In YOUR opinion

In MY opinion, every death is a tragedy

I’ve just seen the video…. It’s horrific. I actually think I’ll have nightmares, his poor family will see that too.

A man in his 60s has been arrested.

Yes. Multiple things can be true at once.

Yes political violence is wrong.
Yes I feel for his poor family.
Yes he was an absolute bell end and it isn’t beyond the pale to point out the irony of the situation.

Not referencing Charlie here, but even the death of child rapists?

I don't agree with what he said, but I dont hate him for it.

He really didn't agree with abortion, and that was his opinion

What do you mean “again”?

Accidentally saw the graphic video whilst scrolling on TikTok. Horrendous. I’ve already been shocked today by the footage of the poor woman on the train. Everything feels gloomy.

Lets just not pretend he had any interest in keeping women and girls safe.

I think I won't answer that one, as it will derail the thread into a side argument.

He could have been more open to women's experiences, yes.

My political opinions usually lean slightly to the left. But I enjoyed watching Charlie’s debates. I am open minded enough to want to hear all sides of a debate. I found his stance on some things didn’t align with mine, but I do think there were times he opened my mind to a new perspective. I found his debates insightful and his passion and conviction quite powerful. I think that his death is a tremendous loss, as I believe he was someone who tried to do good. How sad for his family, and how sad that we live in a world where people can see this as anything less than the devastating event that it is.

Anyone celebrating the murder of another human being is despicable, regardless of what they felt about the opinions that person held.

I didn’t agree with much that Charlie Kirk said, although I did agree with some, but every video I’ve ever seen of him speaking and debating has been conducted in a way that allowed for open dialogue on both sides.

His poor family must be in such pain and his daughters are so young they’ll never get the opportunity to really know their Dad. That’s devastating and anyone who can’t see how sad it is and feel empathy for all concerned, is a deeply unpleasant person.

But it wasn't just his opinion was it. He made it his job to advocate against abortion rights in order to influence policy change, which would have serious consequences for women and girls across America. He advocated against exemptions in cases of rape.

I agree he achieved a lot in a short time, but I don’t agree he was ‘an incredible man’ - sorry. He made his living saying and doing a lot of controversial things and he didn’t do much objective good for humanity. He should never have got killed though - that is horrifying.

Not every death is a tragedy.

Agree.

No, I agree with you, but I think his death is sad.

In my opinion, he is still entitled to his opinion

He was religious too which influenced his way of thinking.

I have a Catholic friend and she is very anti abortion. I havent fallen out with her over it