Taxes to rise to fund PIP 2

[Viviennemary]

I saw the other thread was full. Still I look forward to the vote which is on Tuesday. Sky news called him two Tier Keir. Most unfair thing ever if this passes.

I genuinely believe (and hope) this is the beginning of the end for Starmer. What comes after him worries me though, especially if the left of the party prevail.

Starmer will have united the country - united in its contempt for him.

I've just read an article in the DM saying Kier Starmer will last only another year and then Angela Rayner will take over. She will get the party members and the Union vote. Now that is a scarey prospect. If that's the alternative I'd rather stick with Starmer. It's a mess.

There is no miracle worker

there is decades of mess to clear up and you want in in a year or two whilst no one has to pay any more and things have to get better?

cloud cooktop land here I see

No I wouldn't mind paying more tax. I'd like to see the personal allowance raised to say £20k or even £15k. And a percentage added on to each tax bracket. Also better off pensioners to pay NI.

I’d be happy to pay more tax if it’s needed to pay for disabled people to live safely and comfortably. I think higher income households could shoulder this for the country. Why on earth anyone wouldn’t want to support those that can’t support themselves is beyond me.
We definitely don’t need a rapid change of leader over the next few years. Surely we’ve seen where that leads with the ghastly conservative musical chairs of the last years.

I pay enough tax, there are too few people paying for too many. Too much money wasted, too many people taking (a good example being the entitled poster who expected her council to pay for her daughters transport to school).

People have had enough, working hard - many with 2 jobs and barely surviving. There doesn’t seem to be a gap between working and benefits anymore so people simply won’t work - see all young people who can’t work.

The sooner, and further left Labour goes, the better.

Let’s rip off the band aid - only then will the electorate properly turn, and be ready to vote in a non-socialist administration, who have core competence, and are not ideologically-driven, based on envy and spite.

I can’t find anything that actually says taxes are rising to fund PIP, this is a scaremonger tactic to increase resentment towards disabled benefits.

Just how is it going to be funded then.

You claimed it - prove it. There has been no announcement about tax rises to fund anything, never mind PIP. Just scaremongering as PP said.

@Viviennemary a 2% tax on assets over £10m would raise 5x the amount that the proposed PIP cuts would. This wouldn’t impact salaries or take home income for the existing 40% tax payers, only those who hoarde wealth and don’t recycle it back into the economy.

That would be fine by me. As alas I haven't got £10m. But I would imagine that anyone who has will be straight on to their accountant to avoid the tax.

Growth is weak and spending is high. Every time they say they are going to cut costs they U turn. The economy shrank in April and borrowing was the second highest on record in May despite the 3.5b tax take increase.

Rachel’s rules are she can’t borrow to cover day to day spending. But we know about Labour and their claims/rules eg we won’t raise NI - oh no we only mean employee NI, employer NI is fair game (which has and will continue to spectacularly backfire).

Economists are predicting tax rises, how else will they fund all of this? If they think the outcry by the pensioners on wfa was bad they need to brace themselves. If 2tierKeir goes and we get Ange we’re in very very big trouble.

All these claiming for a tax on assets, can you explain what you mean by assets - houses, jewellery, cash, investments? How frequently do you expect this to be paid? Once? Or do you expect those people to repeatedly cough up for the feckless waste of the public sector and the ever growing welfare bill? When would this stop and what would be the criteria for it to stop/start. What would be done about the likes of the Duke of Westminster who has a nice little agreement about paying 50p every few years?

Alrhough it would be very simple for the start/stop of those with assets as the start would never begin and the stop would be their one way train fare. And don’t worry mumsnetters they’ll be very happy closing the door behind them.

Maybe kier could just make a third less nuclear warheads ? Wasn’t it meant to be the PIP cuts would save £5bn and the warhead spend was £15bn? He could just live within his means and get £10bn of warheads (which is still probably enough of something that has a 99.9% chance of never being used anyway plus even if we spent 500bn Russia will still always have more nuclear weapons than us?) just a thought

If Putin has the upper hand and we disarm PIP cuts will be the least of folks sorties. I dont think PIP is a thing in Russia. People in the UK dont know how lucky they are.

No no no. I pay enough tax and I’m sick of paying for benefits for so many people. Out of my hand into someone else’s. If YOU want to pay more tax for state benefits, because you’re feeling generous, make a payment direct to HMRC. Easy enough to access on the internet. And you can feel good about yourself.

i receive PIP and work, I’d be absolutely happy to pay more tax to fund it

I’m sure £10bn of warheads would be enough

I’ll pay more tax when I can have a say in where it goes.

Not paying for the feckless, waste of time losers who hang around town centres drinking each day, or youths with ‘my mental health’ nonsense.
that no one can deny/prove.

happy to help foot increasing cancer care, lifelong neurological illnesses etc.
Too many people seeing someone else’s benefits and wanting the same!!!

I’ll pay more tax when I can have a say in where it goes.

You'll pay more taxes when you are told to pay more taxes. That is how it works.

If there is a nuclear war we will all be dead. Or at least we can hope so. I am sure the USA has enough weapons for us all. Putin has shown no signs of invading Switzerland.

Sick and tired of people claiming anyone with MH issues is making them up, I wish I could make one of you live in my head for a month and then tell me I'm just too lazy to work.

The prejudice against MH issues is disgusting on this site. You aren't in peoples heads you don't know how they're actually suffering you just make up a load of crap because if you don't have an issue with working with poor mental health then obviously no one could possibly have an issue.

Find some fucking compassion in your tiny little shrivelled hearts for anyone but yourself and you might find yourself being a more likeable person.

Nope! There are ever increasing numbers of people who can "tweak" their lives to avoid taxes, i.e. retired early, go part time, emigrate, etc. And they are doing!

I've never had so much IHT planning work in 40 years of accountancy than in the last few months since Rachel's IHT changes on pension scheme funds. Client after client who'd previously been liable for modest amounts of IHT seeing the potential bills rise enormously and making changes to wills, trusts, etc to avoid it completely. So instead of Rachel getting a few tens of thousands, she gets nothing, as she was so greedy she wanted a hundred or two hundred thousand, but it's spectacularly backfired.

Always the same when someone hits their personal tax "tipping point" and always the same that HMRC end up with less than they'd have got without rule changes.