Taxes to rise to fund PIP 2

[Viviennemary]

I saw the other thread was full. Still I look forward to the vote which is on Tuesday. Sky news called him two Tier Keir. Most unfair thing ever if this passes.

I don’t think this is bearing out. There are countries that welcome higher earners, and not even that super high.

we need serious welfare reform not this tinkering bullshit. I am not willing to pay even more tax for the insane welfare bill.

Maybe we should look into child benefit and the child element of universal credit and free school meals. People chose to have children they can pay for them. Nobody chooses to be disabled

What I wonder is what is causing so so many people to be this disabled that they need government support? Is it something in the air/water?

Failing nhs, people having children later in life, the fact we've just been through a pandemic.

My cousin is disabled because he was born premature. His parents were told that if he was any earlier, the hospital wouldn't try to keep him alive

He probably would have died 40 years ago

Better not claim attendance allowance when your old and pray that you don’t become disabled in the meantime.

Regarding your personal circumstances - read what I said, please. And please drop the sarcasm - it’s uncalled for. Ageing demographics in the West, and elsewhere are already in evidence, incidentally, for myriad reasons.

You otherwise seem to advocate for some kind of socialist utopia (an oxymoron), but the majority of us did not sign up for that. You also appear to support the notion of egalitarianism - it does not exist, never has, never will. People are not born equal - that’s life. One plays their hand - some play a bad hand well, others a good hand, badly.

By all means, people can continue to rely on the state - just don’t blame the biggest tax payers if they take their toys from the sandpit. Many of us have had enough - and we are acting on it. We will not wait for Reeves’s further theft next October.

Did you read my penultimate sentence, or you just chose to ignore it?

No i skimmed it. I think people would agree with you if pip assessors could be trusted to make the right decisions but they cant and this is the problem. People have this notion of if you need pip you will get it and its just not the reality

Agreed. If a family member of theirs had spend years inside a mental institution or committed suicide, they might feel different. No one weighing 4 stone is making up a mental health illness, no one who slits their wrists is making up a mental illness.

Anyone.

How frequently are PIP awards reviewed? On average.

Unsure but the longest award is 10 years

This

And there you have it folks. How dare you become disabled? How dare you not build up reserves from your minimum wage job while also likely paying extortionate private rent?

Disabled and need financial support? Sod off….you should have had some personal responsibility and planned for it!

FFS! 🙄

Average is 3 years but can be anything from 1 year to 10

Thanks.

Then the DWP assertion last year that PIP fraud was 0% is utter, utter nonsense.

The simple logic being - an individual provided with an award in Year 1, will almost certainly have changed circumstances in Year 10 - many for the worse, of course, but also a significant number for the better (doubtless some of whom did not inform the DWP).

It’s statistical probability.

Faux indignation…

People given 10 year awards won't be getting better

Fair.

Then, are there stats for those who ultimately come off PIP (excluding mortality)?

Those on ten year awards have deteriorating diseases/conditions. They will never improve.

The 10 year awards tend to be for things like having down syndrome, with comorbidity or being quadriplegic so I'm not convinced a significant number of people are improving by growning back limbs or losing chromosomes to be honest.
A teeny tiny number maybe

The people coming of pip will be people who are given 1 or 3 year awards as they will have conditions and disabilities that may improve or become manageable with surgery or certain treatments.

Labour are slowly but surely breaking the social contract which has be a fundamental element of UK society - taxpayers and soon-to-be taxpayers will see little in return and will just be covering the costs of others, even if they are deserving.

No wonder tax payers are leaving the country in droves as they see less and less in return - except for the braying mob spurred on by the BBC.

Soon, the state pension, NHS access etc will be removed from many of us.

It’s coming.

Agreed..

Scratch the surface and a lot of the supposed high tax countries actually are very generous when it comes to what are in effect personal allowances

It obviously varies but in quite a few countries where the tax rates look higher than the UK your middle earner can often claim an allowance for children/dependents living at home, or even in some places an allowance for work related expenses, including commuting costs and meals bought in the working day..

The headline tax rates you sometimes see in the UK MSM can be very missleading.