Taxes to rise to fund PIP 2

[Viviennemary]

I saw the other thread was full. Still I look forward to the vote which is on Tuesday. Sky news called him two Tier Keir. Most unfair thing ever if this passes.

This. ^ Glad someone said it.

Also I do begrudge all this PIP going to do many people who do not live here, benefit tourists. Taking up our homes- because they don’t live there but for a few weeks a year.
Wake the fuck up U.K government.

Yep you’d think Starmer / Labour were doing well on these threads. They’re not.

To all the posters on here opining over the life of unearned and limitless luxury that us PIP-recipients apparently live, please look on the bright side, you and your loved ones are just an accident or illness away from a severe and life-limiting disability of your very own. When that happy day comes you too will be able to live the care-free life of riley that all us disabled people enjoy. Until then, I guess you'll just have to carry the burden of living in a world where everything is built around you an when unpleasant and small-minded bigots don't stand around tutting and rolling their eyes when the most basic of accommodations are occasionally made to allow you to access a few of the facilities and spaces which the currently able-bodied can access without a second thought.
Also, just a friendly reminder that PIP is a non-means-tested benefit designed to offset the extra costs of living with a disability. This means that many people in receipt of PIP also work and are tax payers. PIP often allows disabled people to remain in work by providing specialist equipment, transport, etc. Sorry if this spoils the fun for some posters on this thread with their lurid imaginings of what all PIP claimants are like!

The whole point is that PIP is going to far too many people and the numbers ard going up and up and up. I refuse to believe all these people have a disability for which extra money is required. The meaning of disability has been totally lost.

I love this hoary old line, that we are all ‘just one accident or illness away’. Except that’s not really accurate for all of us, is it?

Why? Because some of us have prudently built reserves, or paid out significant insurance premiums over the years, or chosen a career which provides cover for such eventualities.

Why does everyone seemingly have to rely on the state? When do people accept responsibility themselves?

And before there’s a general pile on - I fully accept that some are deserving of state support. As to those who are not, bloody own it, for once.

We don't want to pay anymore tax. DH is already in the top tax bracket and pays more than enough. DS has just started his career and I want him to keep as much as possible. I think we can cut foreign aid and migrant hotel spending though.

However I've had a big turn of heart on disability benefits bashing. I did use to be one of those "just get a job" kind of people. I've changed my mind now learning how much pain and suffering disabled people go through.

If you are so sure that you are able to easily tell the real disabled people from the fakers with such ease then you should really offer your services to the DWP. It would save them lots of money as there would be no need for costly assessments involving copious medical evidence from professionals when they could just ask you if you think the claimant looks disabled or not based on a cursory glance.
I guess I'm lucky in that I have had a severe and immediately evident physical disability since birth so I don't get people questioning me about whether I'm really entitled to a blue badge, etc., but I bet there are still people thinking I'm living a tax-payer funded life of luxury, though I don't think many of them would actually want my disability even if it meant being entitled to PIP!

I predict that we will see a significant amount of high earners exit the workforce within the next 12 months - via emigration, retirement, or perhaps cutting their hours, and therefore their tax liability.

Taxation will prove increasingly punitive, that the ‘working poor’ will find themselves poorer than those on benefits, and will decide that work is no longer worth it.

Nobody likes being taken for a mug, and the ‘working poor’ get to see up close how big a ride they are being taken for; they live amongst those doing it.…

Good post.

Your idea of prudential financial planning is all well and good for people in high-earning careers but how exactly do you expect people on minimum wage to build up enough savings or pay high enough insurance premiums to support their entire family for life in the event that they become too disabled to work? You would probably say it's their own fault for not pursuing a more lucrative career, but that ignores the fact that not everyone has access to the same level of education and the same opportunity to get qualifications. Many people in low-paid jobs are providing vital services that you doubtless use every day and so are an essential part of our economy and our daily lives. Are you willing to pay more for your daily basics so that carers, cleaners, delivery drivers, shop workers, etc. can earn the same as banking executives for example? If so maybe we can start expecting everyone to financially plan for the eventuality that they become sick or disabled.
Also, I've been severely physically disabled since birth. I am interested in how you would advise a fetus to best engage in fiscal planning in case it should be born disabled. I guess your solution would be that only those in high-paying jobs should reproduce, regardless of the catastrophic effect that would have on population growth and the fact that kind of thinking sort of smacks of eugenics.

@Viviennemary agree personal allowance must rise.

Also savings threshold for benefit claimant

@Everlore the sad truth is until we properly support dc with sen we won't ever see equality in society.

It's sen traps that's holding many people back. And some is so small for tweak and deal with.

Because someone of us where born disabled so are uninsurable. Just like future relatives of yours may be

@MyNameIsX Yes that’s exactly going to be the issue. Wealthy folk are definitely going. DD has a friend whose parents have said they are off. If higher earners decamp to USA or Australia, we will be up shit creek because the middle earners will be hammered. But they voted for this. It’s utterly foolish to over tax. Nowhere else is doing it and everyone will resent it. Many know their taxes go to people who don’t do much but get more in benefits than they earn. Pip must be means tested. Why do we have so many claiming and the costs rising without check? Millions get this benefit and many think it does need tighter rules or everyone else will be bankrupt.

For gawd's sake. This is becoming an obsession with you, Viv.

Ah well. I am sure you will get what you want out of the thread. Have fun.

Many people are sought in a sen trap generations old, can't move on in school, no one to inspire them or help.. Depressed miserable low level of life with few pleasures... Why would they want to invest or move forward etc

@Viviennemary a huge problem is fraud.

Oh God save us. More utter ignorance of PIP.

Let me guess: your mother's sister's neighhbour's son claims PIP whilst trekking up Mount Everset. And he has a free Range Rover.

Or something.

Possibly the most gullible person posting today if you believe everything people claim. Definitely the nastiest.

Pip fraud is 0%. You have to jump through so many hoops for pip. Its not a case of saying x, y and z and them just taking it as solid ground. You need so much medical evidence that can’t be fraudulent.

From the assessors, yes

And then they'd be driven out along with the Non Dom's. Did you know a little over 10 percent of the wealthiest have left UK since RR shit Autumn Statement?

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What to move somewhere with higher tax. The UK has one of the lowest tax rates when compared to most developed countries.