Taxes to rise to fund PIP 2

[Viviennemary]

I saw the other thread was full. Still I look forward to the vote which is on Tuesday. Sky news called him two Tier Keir. Most unfair thing ever if this passes.

Unless you work a by pass which many are and will do.

Possibly the dumbest post today.

Agree. Labour have stuffed up on this. They'll have to work out another way other than more tax rises.

But Kier is cutting PIP. Why would we need a tax rise if benefits are being cut? This post doesn’t make any sense.

Same

I have a lifelong neurological illness its one of the reasons I get pip

Exactly but people just want an excuse to slag off disabled people so they make things up

Did you see the recent u turn?

Because he's not cutting PIP as much as he previously wanted so taxes may have to increase to cover the shortfall of what they thought they would save and what they actually will now save ! the future of the welfare state is at risk anyway because even with these current proposed cuts, the benefits bill is expected to rise massively over the next five years. These cuts are just a temporary sticking plaster.

Yes but we haven't actually been told anything yet. If what the press is saying is true it means any future claimants will be screwed over so that is how they are making their savings so they dont need people to pay extra tax or if they do it isnt for that reason

Labour are 1000% more competent than any Tory Govt of the last 14 years and if you are thinking of a Reform Govt, the sole purpose of Reform is to make Liz Truss look like she knew what she was doing.

I doubt they will save as much as they say anyway. If new applicants are denied PIP, they will still need care and that will have to be provided by the local authority so will end up costing more. People will end up not being able to pay rent if they can't stay in work as basic benefits often don't cover full rent, and the government and local authorities will have more homelessness, kids in poverty etc to deal with unless these sick/ disabled people have family to step in and help. I think they really haven't thought the implications through properly of making PIP harder to get.

There is no other way

100% this was always going to be the case. People dont suddenly become not disabled because you take away their disability benefits. If I lost pip and lcwra I would lose my home as I wouldn't be able to pay the mortgage plus all the extra costs of being disabled so I would need social housing. I would no longer be able to travel to hospital appointments so the government would need to source me transport (this costs about £600 a month) just to get to appointments. I would no longer be able to pay for private therapy so id need this through the nhs. I would no longer be able to afford my carer so they would need to pay for that. It would cost significantly more then just giving me pip and lcwra to pay for myself

The savings are far less now than they had planned, as well as the U turn on WFA to fund

Sorry im not sure what wfa is?

Because originally savings were meant to be due to stopping for all and that’s not happening.

The winter fuel allowance.

Thanks 😁

Maybe they will just go for some else next they tried the elderly then the disabled maybe it will be parents next cuts in child benefit or the child element of universal credit or free school meals or charging for schooling. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

Edit replied to wrong post @julen7

I don’t think Starmer will…it would be too unpopular. He would be U turning again and he has done too much of that already.

Income Tax needs to go up.

Perhaps pensioners should be paying more? Seeing as National Insurance is just a tax, I don't see why pensioners should not have to pay it. Obviously, as with all income taxes, it would be levied according to means, so pensioners on very low incomes wouldn't reach the threshold and wouldn't pay it.

On a similar subject, I do feel that £35k as the income threshold for winter fuel benefits is a bit too high: a fairer threshold would be £25k, I think.

Like I said who knows this is the worst labour leader we've ever had. Who ever thought a Labour government would target the most vulnerable in society its the opposite of what they stand for but here we are.

Maybe they bbc should start using adverts and what we pay in tv license we could pay in extra tax

14 years of Tory rule for a reason.

This Labour lot will ensure a minimum of another 14 year cycle, you’ll see.

No commercial acumen amongst any of the cabinet - just vicious, spiteful, incompetents.

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