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How do you ‘punish’ a child who just doesn’t get it?

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OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:24

I am trying my best, I really am.

3 kids. H works away and has checked out of parenting. Not the issue of this thread so please let’s not dissect it, just to highlight that although not a single mother, I am parenting alone to 3 tweens and by God I am TRYING my absolute best.

BACKGROUND:

DD8 is lovely but tricky. Currently awaiting assessment as I am sure she has learning difficulties.

She sulks and gets cross a lot. She has always been a sulker but it has massively ramped up. She is currently being kept back a year at school due to many valid issues, which she was fine with but now with transition day (season, it seems to be now) upon us, she’s quite emotional.

All of this means that I tend to excuse/not see the milder bits of bad behaviour. I don’t ignore them, but I don’t come down like a ton of bricks.

But the really bad, sulky, petulant, cross and nasty behaviour, I cannot overlook. Whatever the cause.

THE CURRENT ISSUE:

She and her sister and their friends are really into a sport. They train every week together and go to competitions about 2-3 times a month.

Last week at training, DD8 completely lost her shit at a perceived slight from DD10 (she can’t cope with any criticism, even ‘hurry up’) which ended in her hitting DD10 hard with a large stick. There was a big telling off for this, and I said any more bad behaviour and she would not be doing this weekends competition.

She semi-behaved for a day or so, then last night kicked off again massively, ending with her shouting at me in Tesco. On the way in I’d said her brother could push the trolley, and was about to say that she could swap at the end of the aisle, but before I got there she had a massive tantrum because she wanted to push the trolley. I
explained about the swap, but that now that couldn’t happen due to the tantrum. She shouted ‘FINE, I’M LEAVING’ and went to run from the shop. I grabbed her, because she’s 8 and can’t run out into the world at 9pm (we’d been to the cinema). People are now looking.

I bring her back in and she sees the people looking and smirks because she thinks she won’t get told off. I proceed to tell her off anyway. She has already been warned very clearly several times in the last 5 mins that if this carries on she will not be competing this weekend.

She answered the telling off with ‘It’s not fair, I’m not walking with you, I wanted to push the trolley’ and went to run off inside. So I told her that that’s it, she is not competing at the weekend.

She was then furious and kept asking why I was being so mean to her. She stomped around the shop giving me nasty looks.

This has carried on. Last night putting her to bed after all this she asked why I wasn’t her friend. Why I was being so mean. I don’t think she even remembered what she’d done.

I explained it all again and asked whose fault it is that she isn’t competing - mine or hers. She said mine, because I’m the one that said it. She just doesn’t get it, and I really could not have made it clearer.

I am at my wits end. I really wanted her to compete this weekend, and would have let her ‘earn it back’ but that ship had sailed I think. Her sister will have to ride her pony as I’ve already paid the entries. DD8 will have to still come and watch as there’s no one else to have her.

I am just exhausted. I’m sorry it’s long but please, and help will be SO much appreciated.

OP posts:
Bepatientandiwillreturn · 28/06/2025 08:28

She sounds very very unhappy, and it will likely be linked to her checked out father and parents in a very unhappy marriage.

Bepatientandiwillreturn · 28/06/2025 08:29

How is she at school?

Bepatientandiwillreturn · 28/06/2025 08:30

I think she would benefit from talking to a child therapist, and some 1-2-1 time with you.

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OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:32

She isn’t bad at school. When I asked her why she thinks that is, she said ‘my sister isn’t in my class, it’s because she annoys me.’
Now I’m not saying her sister is perfect, but she’s fairly sweet and very kind, she is definitely not the root cause of this.

She is however, incredibly behind at school both academically and emotionally, hence the moving down a year.

We had a big move as a family in September, 6 hours up the country. For very good reasons, and to a much better life, but it has definitely been an upheaval.

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Newgirls · 28/06/2025 08:35

She sounds exhausted (as do you).

it’s end of term, hot and everyone is knackered. Can’t they pause the sport for the summer? Is she eating enough? Mine was hangry a lot at that age due to being starving all the time.

YellowGrey · 28/06/2025 08:35

Hitting her sister with a stick is completely unacceptable. But it's a shame IMO that the serious punishment (not going to the competition) came after a relatively minor incident over shopping trolleys.

Newgirls · 28/06/2025 08:36

Also get your shopping delivered. Reduce the moments of conflict for all of you

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:39

YellowGrey · 28/06/2025 08:35

Hitting her sister with a stick is completely unacceptable. But it's a shame IMO that the serious punishment (not going to the competition) came after a relatively minor incident over shopping trolleys.

It was more the shouting at me, repeatedly trying to run away, stamping and escalation every time I asked her to stop. It wasn’t really the trolleys.

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Bepatientandiwillreturn · 28/06/2025 08:41

She’s unhappy
she’s craving attention
She feels stupid and thick at school

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:42

She has just got up and she is still angry with me. She asked if her friend can come round, I said not today and she has stormed out. No idea that she has done anything wrong.

If it was any of the other kids, they’d have apologised. But this one just can’t understand why I’m being so mean. I love her so much, but I just worry so much for her future.

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Eagle2025 · 28/06/2025 08:42

What sort of time is she normally going to bed? To be traipsing around a supermarket at 9pm, what time is she then getting home and into bed? I appreciate it's not every night your going to the cinema but just wondered about the routine in general.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 28/06/2025 08:43

Why did you move miles with an “absent”husband?

Why has he checked out?

I’m sorry your child sounds spoilt. A pony when she is behind with school work? Not all children can do everything. I doubt she has learning difficulties just needs more attention & support. There are probably gaps in learning from Covid era.

Maybe be nicer to her and expect basics not miracles.

creekyjohn · 28/06/2025 08:44

YellowGrey · 28/06/2025 08:35

Hitting her sister with a stick is completely unacceptable. But it's a shame IMO that the serious punishment (not going to the competition) came after a relatively minor incident over shopping trolleys.

This. If she is awaiting an assessment re learning difficulties you really do need to work with her and not against her. I would have let her take a trolley as well, anticipating any escalation in her behaviour, so not as a reward for ‘acting up’ but before she got the chance to. It’s very difficult to parent a child with learning difficulties, you do have to alter your approach. Obviously things like violence are unacceptable but when it comes to minor issues like trolley pushing and the like your time will be made easier if you anticipate her behaviours and turn it into a positive before it gets off the ground.

I’m not having a go btw, it too me a very long time to realise DS wasn’t going to do X/Y/Z just becsue he was 8 and should be able to do it or to behave in a certain way. Once I cracked that and changed the way I viewed things it did become much easier.

notanothersummercold · 28/06/2025 08:45

Behaviour is normally a form of communication but gosh this sounds very hard op.

Bepatientandiwillreturn · 28/06/2025 08:45

You are point blank ignoring suggestions and advice

just ongoing descriptions about how annoying and frustrating she is to you

creekyjohn · 28/06/2025 08:47

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:42

She has just got up and she is still angry with me. She asked if her friend can come round, I said not today and she has stormed out. No idea that she has done anything wrong.

If it was any of the other kids, they’d have apologised. But this one just can’t understand why I’m being so mean. I love her so much, but I just worry so much for her future.

Why can’t her friend come round? Is this punishment or are you busy?

as my pp, she isn’t like the other kids so she won’t
respond like them.

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:48

creekyjohn · 28/06/2025 08:47

Why can’t her friend come round? Is this punishment or are you busy?

as my pp, she isn’t like the other kids so she won’t
respond like them.

She asked yesterday if her friend could come round. I rang the mother who said that sadly she was busy and we should rearrange. Also we have family visiting.

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OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:49

Eagle2025 · 28/06/2025 08:42

What sort of time is she normally going to bed? To be traipsing around a supermarket at 9pm, what time is she then getting home and into bed? I appreciate it's not every night your going to the cinema but just wondered about the routine in general.

We usually have a good bedtime routine which includes me reading a chapter aloud to them which they love. This was a night out.

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OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:51

creekyjohn · 28/06/2025 08:44

This. If she is awaiting an assessment re learning difficulties you really do need to work with her and not against her. I would have let her take a trolley as well, anticipating any escalation in her behaviour, so not as a reward for ‘acting up’ but before she got the chance to. It’s very difficult to parent a child with learning difficulties, you do have to alter your approach. Obviously things like violence are unacceptable but when it comes to minor issues like trolley pushing and the like your time will be made easier if you anticipate her behaviours and turn it into a positive before it gets off the ground.

I’m not having a go btw, it too me a very long time to realise DS wasn’t going to do X/Y/Z just becsue he was 8 and should be able to do it or to behave in a certain way. Once I cracked that and changed the way I viewed things it did become much easier.

Thank you. This is really helpful.
The trouble is that the other children then think I’m showing favouritism towards her and letting her get away with everything.

If I told DD8 she could have her own trolley, then DD10 would want HER own trolley, and DS would want the main trolley, and how do you navigate that?

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OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:52

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 28/06/2025 08:43

Why did you move miles with an “absent”husband?

Why has he checked out?

I’m sorry your child sounds spoilt. A pony when she is behind with school work? Not all children can do everything. I doubt she has learning difficulties just needs more attention & support. There are probably gaps in learning from Covid era.

Maybe be nicer to her and expect basics not miracles.

Do you think a divorce and selling her beloved pony would improve things? I don’t.

I’m not even answering the rest.

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Bepatientandiwillreturn · 28/06/2025 08:53

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:48

She asked yesterday if her friend could come round. I rang the mother who said that sadly she was busy and we should rearrange. Also we have family visiting.

You said not today

rather than oh I tried yesterday, but when I called to invite the mum told me they had plans so can’t come

Bepatientandiwillreturn · 28/06/2025 08:54

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:52

Do you think a divorce and selling her beloved pony would improve things? I don’t.

I’m not even answering the rest.

I think if she’s growing up in an unhappy home due to her father avoiding being around and her mum very unhappy and very reasonably angry at her husband, and the air thick with tension when he is around…. Then divorce would certainly be something to consider

summertension · 28/06/2025 08:55

Ok it sounds like she hears the word no first and stops listening. Could you reframe things. For example say “yes but…” instead of no? Or ask the question of “do you think you deserve this?” (Or similar) first before the no? If she has learning difficulties it’s likely that she can’t understand subtleties or nuances of no, just no. Yes but takes a while to get used to, i often have to pause before answering no and of course you may not find it practical in every situation but hopefully just a little something that can feel more positive for her and you.

Loveduppenguin · 28/06/2025 08:56

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:51

Thank you. This is really helpful.
The trouble is that the other children then think I’m showing favouritism towards her and letting her get away with everything.

If I told DD8 she could have her own trolley, then DD10 would want HER own trolley, and DS would want the main trolley, and how do you navigate that?

I know if everyone is different, but my children haven’t wanted to push the trolley since they were 7/8. DS9 sometimes asks to push the trolley but I just say no, and instead I sent him off to find different things for me. Could you try this? Could you give them a list and let them go and find the things on the list and just eliminate the trolley issue and do the same thing with other issues?
none of this is really about the trolley though…I think it’s your job as a parent to try and foresee what can cause issues and to try to pre-empt them as best you can.

Eagle2025 · 28/06/2025 08:56

OhShutUpThomas · 28/06/2025 08:49

We usually have a good bedtime routine which includes me reading a chapter aloud to them which they love. This was a night out.

But why do a grocery shop at 9 at night after being at the cinema. You describe a trolly being involved so you werent just nipping in quickly for bread and milk. I can imagine a lot of kids her age being pretty fed up with that and acting up.

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