Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

Labour always raise taxes, they like redistribution it’s what they do in various forms and levels. They have many ideas and their ideas don’t really affect them because they buy their way out. Diane Abbott educating her children privately for instance. Hypocrisy in action, at least own it, hypocrites the lot. Rather be stabbed in the front than the back.

All it will do is push more to vote Reform, while the centre looks on in despair at both sides who are both awful.

Me too. Having seen how difficult getting PIP for a visible physical illness, with full on clear diagnosis, how could anyone either fake it or get anything for any disability they cannot prove with a measurable physical test sounds near impossible to me.

The average worker in the UK pays a lower rate of tax than nearly every other comparable country.

That is true but we have a huge issue with housing costs & COL plus shit wages.

As I said it's a mess and I'm not sure how you fix it now.

And people can’t keep being able to afford higher and higher taxes.

Why? Do you have any prejudices against people with any other type of illness or is it just mental health

Link. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/welfare-reforms-tax-rises-pip-starmer-labour-b2777862.html

I'd be in favour of a more generous welfare system that was actually targeted at those who need it most. We have the worst of all worlds - miserly and far too indiscriminate in who can access it so we have literally millions accessing.

Labour simply will not confront that reality.

Thinking that the (rapidly increasing) cost of PIP and number of claimants is a problem the UK needs to address doesn’t mean you hate disabled people.

Thats just a way of trying to stop debate.

Other countries aren’t experiencing this massive rise in claimants, and the country will be imminently bankrupted if it continues.

Labour always raise taxes,

Tories never does this 🤔

And let's not forget the almighty fuck up years of austerity and QE which hid the fact we never recovered from the 08 crash and inflated assets. The can was kicked down the road. Unfortunately we don't have any more road now.

If people are voting Reform because they don't want their pensions/ benefits cut they are delusional. Who do they think will be made to do the low paid work when immigrants aren't here? Who do they think will be paying for their 'Insurance based healthcare system'? Reform will do bugger all because as soon as they are in power they will have to tell their voter base the truth about all this and they don't want to do it.

Maybe your working sense of empathy would run out if you were paying 40%+ of your income in tax. I'm going to make an educated guess that you don't!
It such a pathetic (usually left wing) argument that anyone who disagrees with you wants poor and disabled people to starve.

Did you receive furlough payments during the pandemic?

if so, you don’t have any right to begrudge people in genuine need now. Which PIP claimants are. It’s incredibly difficult to get PIP in any situation.

Everyone who works works hard for their money. But there’s a big difference in someone working 2 jobs to just about cover bills with nothing left over and someone earning £100s of thousands and splitting up their businesses into parts to squirrel them away to offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes.

I pay 40% tax on part of my income. I'm not finding it a serious incentive to not bother. Maybe that's just a you thing?

How much rent do you pay @HowardTJMoon?

Your education failed. I do pay 40% tax. Unlike some my empathy is still in fine working order.

I would be happy to pay more tax, and a lot of celebrities have said so. The very rich get away with paying less tax, why should that be? I believe that any business with premises in the UK should pay tax to the government. Big business should pay taxes even if they're abroad on the money they make from the UK. As for people working hard, some of the hardest workers in this country are not high earners.

Sure, you aren’t everyone.

It’s a very well studied effect that people’s behaviour changes around the 40% and 60% tax brackets to avoid falling into them.

About 80% of parents I know are either working part time or pension-stuffing to claim childcare hours because the tax + loss of benefits at that point is so severe they can end up worse off by earning more.

I’m not sure how we can afford it.

Tax rises just result in more cuts and people opting out by leaving or other.

If people are voting Reform because they don't want their pensions/ benefits cut they are delusional. Who do they think will be made to do the low paid work when immigrants aren't here? Who do they think will be paying for their 'Insurance based healthcare system'? Reform will do bugger all because as soon as they are in power they will have to tell their voter base the truth about all this and they don't want to do it.

They will still vote for them though.

Tell me why you want to know and I'll consider telling you.

About 80% of parents I know are either working part time or pension-stuffing to claim childcare hours because the tax + loss of benefits at that point is so severe they can end up worse off by earning more.

I work p/t because of this and because of my job I see so many people topping up pensions to get under 100k for tax and childcare funds. These aren't hedge fund managers but people in normal jobs.

Thinking that the (rapidly increasing) cost of PIP and number of claimants is a problem the UK needs to address doesn’t mean you hate disabled people

I didn't say OP hates disabled people.

I said OP hates disabled people who are on disability benefits. I have seen many posts from her on the subject, she is well known for it.

Is it though? Plenty of right wing people seem to be those with no empathy for those who are disabled.

I work in an industry that serves many wealthy people, and it’s fairly common for them to moan about how much of their money goes on taxes, whilst talking about their 4/5 holidays a year, and driving their expensive cars. They’d happily see disabled people wiped off the face of the planet, and some even openly suggest that as a solution to current problems.

My own solution would be to stop trying to fix things in the same tired old way. We need change and imagination. We need far less corruption. We need real people in charge of systems that they’ve worked in and understand well. Politics is not working anymore. Every single institution run with government input is failing.