Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

It's just tax, tax, tax but generally just on workers.

I pay taxes including income tax and NI, and have done for many decades.

I receive PIP. It enables me to work.

Everyone pays taxes in some form, most commonly VAT. Indeed, lower-income individuals spend a larger proportion of their income on essential goods and services (like food, clothing, and utilities) which are subject to VAT, compared to higher-income individuals who have more disposable income to spend on non-essential items or on items that may be exempt or zero-rated.

Also I don't think it's fair that there are no reforms for people on it but different rules for those will be new to it.

It’s no surprise that Labour are raising taxes - that’s what they do.

the country cannot afford everything we’re spending on disability, it’s completely out of control, but Labour won’t tackle it

I would stop PIP for all anxiety-related issues after 6 months, unless due to physical aggression / PTSD.

And Starmer and the Cabinet don’t understand the difference between PIP and UC - hopefully MNers aren’t falling into that chasm of misinformation.

I doubt very much whether the propaganda around this ‘factoid’ is true.

There isn't enough money for everything due to the changing demographics because you can't just tax the rich & people want reduced immigration. The government need to be more honest with the public, but I guess they don't want to hear it.

In my sector, a ton of high taxpayers are fleeing to countries where they will be appreciated.

The costs of UC and PIP and the impacts of a rising pension age are being deliberately muddled.

It’a about time we had the facts, and a Cabinet that understood them.

I pay tax. My dsis receives a range of benefits due to her disabilities. She has never worked and never will. My other dsis receives UC and carer’s allowance as she only works part time so that she can also care for our mum. Thus keeping Mum out of a care home that would be founded by the local council.

I am happy to pay more income tax if it means that my sisters do not have the stress of having their benefits cut.

But employers must do much, much more to enable those with disabilities and health needs to work.

We also have a huge storm coming down the line of young people with mental health needs who will claim that they are unable to work. We should be pumping massive amounts of money into supporting young people with their mental health so that they don’t end up not being able to work.

Then of course Starmer's new anti-immigration drive puts tax paying skilled workers in the same box as unskilled workers.
There will soon be no one left to actually pay tax.

Higher taxes are a bad idea. Labour are already slowing growth.

In my sector, a ton of high taxpayers are fleeing to countries where they will be appreciated.

Because there is too much disparity. It's not just about income but wealth & a lot of younger workers may have high incomes & pay a lot of tax but dont necessarily have much wealth. That's the problem, why wouldn't you move if you can.

We should be pumping massive amounts of money into supporting young people with their mental health so that they don’t end up not being able to work.

And how do we raise this massive amount of money? The youth have been ignored for decades.

Tax rises are only being mooted though, to fit in with Reeves’s ‘fiscal rules’. They can be ripped up.

Nothing’s certain, nothing is decided.

The thread title is presumptive.

Exactly right.
This pointless cry of " Tax the rich" is driving away young, talented people that any country would want. We will be left with a bunch of anxious NEETS and the over 65s.

The country needs investment though, and public services need more money to cope with the changing demographics so tax rises are inevitable.

I’ve received DLA/PIP since the age of 3 as I was born with a physical disability which will never get better, only worse with age.
From a young age I was awarded it indefinitely as it was obvious I’d never improve. I then had to get reassessed when it went to PIP and have a maximum of 10 years award. Again this is something I was born with and I will never get better. Some of the surgery I had actually went wrong and I was left more disabled with a life changing injury from the negligence.
I worked in a career for as long as I could. I’ve applied for jobs from home that I could do but got no where so far.

I am tired of fighting for this, I’m tired of my life being crap, I don’t smoke, I don’t drink, I don’t go on holiday, I don’t have fancy things, my life on benefits is pretty limited. I have enough to pay my bills and keep a roof over my head. I have carers which I pay a contribution for, I have a gardener because the council put me in a bungalow with a huge garden, I have high utility bills because I’m unable to clean myself after any bowel/bladder movement so I need to use a shower toilet, when that doesn’t work I end up with major infections and on antibiotics, last summer I was close to sepsis where I cleaned myself as best I could in the shower and fecal matter got into a tiny cut in my toe. I’m tired of being tarred with a brush that I’m taking the pee out the system. If I could wake up tomorrow and hand all this over to work and have a normal life I would. I watch my siblings, who by the way two of them are on the 40% tax bracket, and think that’s the life I could have had. They only don’t moan about paying the tax because they see it as looking after me. There are many disabled people in the same position, who have family that pay tax, or they pay tax themselves. But please believe me when I say so many of us on this would rather not be.

We’ve already had them. It’s not helping, it only slows growth and causes cuts. Plus very high borrowing which costs more than defence and education to service.

As long as they're not levied on "ordinary working people". We need to spread the net, so either extend NIC to ALL income (including pensions, property letting, interest, etc), or scrap NIC and increase income tax. Scrap/reduce the tax exemptions on interest i.e. the £5k "savings allowance" and reduce the exemption on ISAs. We need people with income from investments rather than from working to at least pay the same tax on the same income otherwise we're just penalising workers. We need to "make work pay" - both major parties say it but neither actually do it!

@KateMiskin plus there will be other European countries who need young workers and will incentivise them. Luxembourg is the latest.

The intergenerational inequality is so damaging to productivity and growth but I don't know how it's fixed now.

@EasternStandard already had what?

The NIC hike raised over £20billion - how much more do you want from working people? It's caused the economy to stagnate and is increasing unemployment. We need to leave the wealth producing and economically productive part of the economy alone. If we are to increase taxes, then it has to be on unearned income, capital gains, wealth, etc rather than wages!

I don’t agree with working people being the only people to get tax rises. It should be tax rises for everyone, or nothing.