Taxes to rise to fund PIP

[Viviennemary]

I just read this, Don't agree with this at all. PIP needs to be reformed. But not by introducing this two tier system. Sick of Labour already. Might have know they would revert to type. With all the infighting and disagreement so nothing ever gets done except back peddling, increased taxes and prices rises.

Tax rises to fund specifically pip when it’s not the most expensive benefit for the UK?

People who work hard want to not have even less of their own money at the end of the month?

Shocker!

This kind of thinking is insane. As if once you have enough money, you should happily give up the surplus to everyone else.

Why push people away? It’s Labour’s policies to blame.

Worth noting that the average worker in the UK currently has the lowest personal tax rate since 1975…

… while the overall tax burden is at a record high (due to increased taxes on higher earners).

ALL benefits should have a cut off point, not just disability benefits, but even state pensions. Just set it at a high enough level so that we won't have the mainstream media full of sad looking people. Say, a starting point of around £100k of income or a million of assets.

Well I’ve done 40 years of paying income tax and I’m still a few years away from state pension age. I did a degree/doctorate, and subsequently worked long hard years in public service.

So forgive me for not volunteering to fuck my health over any more.

I agree. Whether you were in favour of the changes or not, surely no one thinks reversing those changes for some people and not others is reasonable or rational.

It won't be "everyone" though, will it? Those living on benefits will be exempt, as will pensioners. So it WILL just be yet another tax on workers.

It should be everyone though. I mean if every single adult paid £20 a year that's not an insignificant figure. But yes pensioners won't like it.

when did we move away from understanding that services like council, defence and health need to be paid for, by each and every one of us? If we want an improved (or even maintained) service we have to pay more, via taxes.
People wanted Brexit. We’ve had to pay for it - so far it’s cost more than we contributed to the EU from 1979s until we left in total. But that’s democracy, people wanted it so WE have to pay for it.
When you have a massive RTC and need moths of care, or maybe a lifetime’s care, how are you going to pay for it if you don’t want the State ( ie all of us paying into pseudo insurance) to help?

Because it promotes a race to the bottom where the biggest losers are those who need help. You might be happy to see people with disabilities starving on the streets but unfortunately I have a working sense of empathy so I'd rather avoid that.

Labour were asked yesterday if this would be the case yesterday and did not deny it.

How else would it be funded?

Agreed that it’s still mental.

Indirect taxes are a lot higher than 1975, i.e. VAT, employers NIC, and all the other taxes on spending, such as fuel duties, alcohol duties, insurance, landfill, sugary drinks, stamp duty, etc. You can't just "cherry pick" one tax and ignore all the others.

ALL benefits should have a cut off point, not just disability benefits, but even state pensions. Just set it at a high enough level so that we won't have the mainstream media full of sad looking people. Say, a starting point of around £100k of income or a million of assets.

The outcry of pensioners (many have 1m homes) would be deafening though. Politicians are scared of them & then we will get Reform because it's all the immigrants fault.

£20 per adult per year wouldn't raise anywhere near the billions of shortfall due to Rachel's faulty calculator.

Because once you start paying 40-50%+ rates on parts of your income, it acts as a serious incentive to not bother.

Particualrly when the tax doesn’t appear to be being productively spent. Nor the government actually trying to keep what are rapidly growing costs under control.

It’s not ‘fuck you, I’m fine’, it’s ’this is no longer fair, so I’m not willing to participate in it’.

Pensioners do pay tax as well.

Because it promotes a race to the bottom where the biggest losers are those who need help. You might be happy to see people with disabilities starving on the streets but unfortunately I have a working sense of empathy so I'd rather avoid that.

And this is the quality of the debate. I despair!!! Why because I understand that a doctor might move abroad for a better quality of life does this mean I want people with disabilities starving on the streets?

This is always the argument. Basically, no argument.

Lcwra for people with mental health problems like anxiety needs to be stopped. I know so many people sitting around being paid not to work. Work actually helps mental health. Why pay people to stay at home and essentially get more anxious and avoidant, with a financial incentive NOT to help themselves?

No. I read that the PM hasn't ruled out tax rises to pay for PIP backpeddling. Where is the money coming from. Pension age now risen to 68. Why should people work till they drop to pay for all those benefits. Labour has absolutely messed up here. They promised us a fairer system. It's looking more unfair by the hour.

@Badbadbunny well that was just for a particular levy. But you are correct we need to raise a lot so if it's just on PAYE it will some burden.

To be fair there are multiple newspaper articles today stating this, logically the money needs to come from somewhere. It is speculation in the papers, but informed speculation.

Yeah, fuck the disabled! If they didn't want to starve they should never have chosen to get a disability!

If you want a dystopian hellscape with low taxes and no social safety net, have you considered moving to, say, Qatar? I'll help you pack.

The average worker in the UK pays a lower rate of tax than nearly every other comparable country. Thats a ‘same historical era’ comparison.

The issue is we can’t seem to do anything about it because the cost of living is so absurdly high - and it will be political suicide for any politician who tries to implement it.