Virginia Giuffre (TW: suicide)

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It’s being reported that Virginia Roberts Giuffre has died by suicide.

I hope Prince Andrew’s shady supporters won’t try to make hay from this. They’ve been revolting recently about her evident trauma.

To shut her up? Doesn't mean admission of guilt!

An absolutely tragic case. She appeared to have found peace in a long-lasting marriage and her three children. But who knows what was really going on for her. As you say OP, trauma is always there and is so hard to live with.

And she was raising three kids with no support from her own family or old friends, who were on the other side of the world. Any new friend must have asked how she ended up in Australia, retriggering her and meaning she had to hide or reveal a very dark past.

Her poor kids. Most of their lives the lawsuits and media circus have been around their mum. They must have seen her struggling so many times. I think they relocated several times. There are reports of alleged physical violence in her marriage. And now they’ve lost her.

You see it time and time again where survivors of terrible abuse want justice and to have their voice heard because they feel it will help them heal. But it must bring so many problems with it, not just for them but their family: notoriety, media intrusion, attempts to discredit them, people trying to exploit them, others distancing themselves, extreme stress. Like any well-known person, it must be hard to trust anyone new you meet.

Perhaps sometimes it’s better to live a simple quiet life, however galling it must be to see people who’ve hurt you getting away with it. But I believe she was until US prosecutors tracked her down and the Pandora’s box opened.

Poor woman. I think we all knew she was having emotional difficulties. My sympathies to her family and friends.

Though she was paid around 12million in her civil claim to P.A to STFU.

I think a criminal case would have been unlikely to win, die to the high threshold as it would have to be proven that P.A knew she was trafficked and therefore unable to freely consent to sexual activity therefore constituting rape/sexual assault.

With the civil case it would only need to be on the balance of probability.

Though just thought this is UK law, i do recall the bar of both civil or criminal were the same in whichever country she was bringing her claim.

So sad, such a brave woman to go up against the elite. May she RIP.

Fwiw I don't think anyone benefits from her death and conspiracy theories have no basis. It is tragic someone so young thought ending her life was her only option.

Not forgetting her comment along the lines of hese were the people wh ruled the planet, billionaires, the most powerful people in the world.

She went up against them. What courage she had. May she RIP.

Mmmm. There were more powerful men involved. They, in the end were the easier targets.

Is that you Fergie? 🙄

This is a heartbreaking story. My sympathy goes out to VG and her family. That said, it’s clear that her parents played a significant role in setting her on a destructive path. Parents must stay closely connected to their young teens.

VG’s wealth, built on years of exploitation and abuse, must have been a constant, painful reminder of what she had endured. Waking up in comfort, knowing it was funded by her own suffering, likely deepened her emotional wounds.

In the end, the millions she received didn’t heal her, they only added to the weight she was carrying. Absolutely horrendous.

Meanwhile the gap between rich and poor is widening in the world making the abuse of vulnerable children even more to difficult to prevent.

This is not really about PA, it's about very rich and influential men thinking they can use children and women. And often because they are so powerful, they get away with it.

Personally, I also don't think Andrew had an inappropriate relations with VG but I do think he's gross and mixed in sleazy circles. Growing up all entitled and without proper life skills and street smart did nothing for PA.

Now his daughters and grand children will suffer the repercussions.

The poor woman. Even if she did die by suicide, Epstein and the sweaty nonce are ultimately responsible for her death. And many others, I'm sure.

All of this is easily found online. The road traffic accident attracted numerous threads on MN which linked to the news items. She posted photos of herself on instagram saying that she had only three or four days to live because she had gone into renal failure as a result, and along with the posts there were photographs of facial injuries which had been clearly doctored - the local Australian police later refuted the story saying that the crash had been minor.

When news of her death was reported on the BBC this morning, it was also reported that her husband had recently sought a restraining order because of her behaviour and was concerned about protecting the children.

Surely you mean the ‘non sweaty’ nonce !!

Seeing this news early morning stopped me in my tracks. Very sad. I admired her courage exposing Andrew and other powerful men. She followed through, where others might cave in, to finish the job. Her death is not in vain.

Same. I suspect it was all stages just to put a firm lid on this situation forever and start a rehabilitation of the reputation of certain person.

What a brilliant post .. such an accurate description of the monarchy! Completely agree with every word

Twitter rumours are that she is still alive and in witness protection 🤷‍♀️

Oh for goodness sake

Absolutely heartbreaking, having to deal with the trauma of sexual abuse whilst facing the public backlash.
Hard for her DC left behind.
Sexual abuse/rape has destroyed so many lives, causing severe mh problems.
The justice system drags victims through the mill, every personal detail of the victim is scrutinised in court.

This kind of death is very sad always.RIP Virginia.

I do not understand why theUK age of consent is 16 when 18 is considered adulthood? Virginia was 17.5 when she had the encounter she claimed to have with prince andrew who I do not favour but I can see how a man in his 40s could meet a woman close to her 20s and find her attractive and not be aware she was 6 months away from 18.

I can also see a young woman of that age doing those things voluntarily for money but years later wanting to reframe it as it does not feel good to exchange your body for money for some women.

I met women who did exactly that who were 16,17 18 when I was in my early 20s and somehow interacted in that world briefly. I chose to not go for the easy money as I knew it would not be easy and was against my values.

It's hard for a young woman to turn down the level of money offered for having sex with wealthy men who want a young body and will pay a lot for it for just a night or a few hours.

Few young women get $12 million for 3 encounters, years later.

I feel sorry for this woman and her children and family. The troubles she has struggled with may have been there whether she participated in these activities or not.Some of the young women I met who did this kind of thing were troubled and some were just somewhat ruthless/astute business women who would rather make 1000-5000 a day from their body instead of 15 -30 an hour from their labour.

Andrew should have done better of course. But not knowing she was 17, not knowing Epstein was no doubt paying her 10000s to sleep with him. Very possible he did not know. Likely, as I wonder if Epstein planned on blackmailing all his wealthy friends one day when he needed to.So Andrew got screwed over too no matter how unlikable we all find him.

But we have the word of a troubled woman that she was trafficked that she did none of the activities voluntarily and as much as I despise men like Epstein, I have seen just enough girls partaking in these well paid transactions with not any concerns to know it's often perfectly voluntary as is the taking of the high sums of money they are rewarded with.

But mentally, down the line of course it can really affect some women to know they sold their bodies to men they would not normally be intimate with and I really hope this was not the case for VG because she was just a 17 year old woman trying her best to get through her life back in 2001.
RIP we hope you have found peace now.

So very sad. RIP Virginia 💐

This is absolutely tragic. That poor woman. After she fought so long and hard to bring her abusers to justice, too. I'm so sorry for her. R.I.P. Virginia. 💐

Yes, I've been directly impacted by suicide. I'm sorry for your loss and the impact that has had on your life but of all the people in my bereavement support peace and relief are uncommon, anguish, pain and questioning are not

Emily Maitlis has much to say about this, it’s very moving and a solid tribute to Virginia on her instagram account Thenewsagents. I can’t link to it sorry without it linking my account.

Thanks. I’ll have a look.

And this does indeed seem to be true: Inside the Virginia Giuffre family’s battle over Prince Andrew’s millions

https://www.thetimes.com/article/d55704c0-d182-465f-bb3a-6d4acc3d5967?shareToken=3c4240aac7575fd991bcb0ccfb0a530e