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Was what I said a racial microaggression?

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PhonePhonePhone · 16/01/2025 15:18

My sister and I were out, and we bumped into a woman I was friends with at work (but have lost touch with) about 15 years ago.

It was excited to see her. We said hi and had a nice (albeit brief) chat before we both had to dash. During the chat I said "You look amazing, by the way. How have you not aged a single day since we worked at X?!" (for context, I most definitely have aged - lots of wrinkles now...).

My sister says that this was a racial microaggression. My colleague/friend is black. My sister and I are white. My sister says it's a microaggression because it assumes that black people "should" visibly age at the same rate as white people, and that's not necessarily the case.

Friend/colleague showed no sign of being anything but pleased and friendly with me, but now I'm worried.

Would you consider what I said a racial microaggression?

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LadyTangerine · 17/01/2025 09:33

ViciousCurrentBun · 17/01/2025 09:15

No it’s fine, I’m mixed race and have aged far more slowly than my white friends. But as @Merryoldgoat writes it’s just that I’m less lined that’s all I am obviously older.

Yes there's more signs of ageing than a complexion. Hair, eyes, teeth, how people walk. You can have someone with lots of laughter lines who can still look younger than those with less lines.

It is normal chat to say to someone you haven't seen for ages 'wow you haven't changed at all' and it is just a compliment.

GretchenWienersHair · 17/01/2025 10:44

LadyTangerine · 17/01/2025 08:47

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any kind of hair either but it is disingenuous to claim that society doesn't push smooth hair as the ideal. Look at how many people straighten their hair, of all ethnicities.

If anyone said 'white don't <insert any critical view of other races>' it would rightly be deemed as totally offensive and unacceptable, so I really think the 'black don't crack' comments should stop. Unless you are suggesting you wouldn't mind a 'white don't ....' observation?

Western beauty standards are centred on white supremacy. So no, it’s not the same thing.

LadyTangerine · 17/01/2025 11:01

GretchenWienersHair · 17/01/2025 10:44

Western beauty standards are centred on white supremacy. So no, it’s not the same thing.

And yet some of the most beautiful and famous women are black or mixed race. Beyonce, Rhianna, Zendaya, Halle Berry etc. The list goes on so beauty standards are certainly not centred on white supremacy at all.

Again, 'black don't crack' should be as offensive to everyone as if people said 'white don't.... '

Let's not make sweeping generalisations based on skin colour.

Plastictrees · 17/01/2025 12:09

@LadyTangerine Of course beauty standards are based on whiteness! Those women you listed are very light skinned, and are considered attractive precisely because they meet Caucasian beauty standards more closely than darker skinned black women. Colourism is very much an issue too.

TheignT · 17/01/2025 12:18

LadyTangerine · 17/01/2025 08:47

There is absolutely nothing wrong with any kind of hair either but it is disingenuous to claim that society doesn't push smooth hair as the ideal. Look at how many people straighten their hair, of all ethnicities.

If anyone said 'white don't <insert any critical view of other races>' it would rightly be deemed as totally offensive and unacceptable, so I really think the 'black don't crack' comments should stop. Unless you are suggesting you wouldn't mind a 'white don't ....' observation?

Smooth hair hasn't always been the ideal, I'm thinking of my gran's perm or even lots of my friends who had perms in the 70s, I never did it as my hair is very fine and frail and I think a 70s perm would probably have left me bald.

GretchenWienersHair · 17/01/2025 13:39

Plastictrees · 17/01/2025 12:09

@LadyTangerine Of course beauty standards are based on whiteness! Those women you listed are very light skinned, and are considered attractive precisely because they meet Caucasian beauty standards more closely than darker skinned black women. Colourism is very much an issue too.

Honestly, the audacity of someone to come on a thread about it microaggressions, make a blatantly racist comment and then try to argue beauty standards aren’t based on white supremacy. The gaslighting is real.

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 17/01/2025 13:55

dynamiccactus · 16/01/2025 21:28

Who says it's fake? Some people DO age well and don't look significantly older.

I am fairly sure my mum's cousin has a portrait in his attic...

Yes - but the poster in question was told she looked "exactly the same" after 20 years. Sure, people may age well and in some cases not look significantly older. But no one looks "exactly the same".

LadyTangerine · 17/01/2025 13:55

GretchenWienersHair · 17/01/2025 13:39

Honestly, the audacity of someone to come on a thread about it microaggressions, make a blatantly racist comment and then try to argue beauty standards aren’t based on white supremacy. The gaslighting is real.

I haven't made a racist comment. I've said repeatedly we reallly should not say 'black don't crack' suggesting white people all age badly when no one would dream of saying 'white don't.....' .

Nowadays making sweeping comments based on skin colour is rightly not tolerated.

Plastictrees · 17/01/2025 14:56

@LadyTangerine Are you suggesting that the saying ‘black don’t crack’ is racist towards white people?

femfemlicious · 17/01/2025 15:00

PhonePhonePhone · 16/01/2025 15:23

My sister's husband (who is black) always says this, and it's why says it's a racial microaggression to make the comment I did!

Stop listening to her. I'm black and have absolutely no problem with that. Definitely not a micro aggression

GretchenWienersHair · 17/01/2025 18:12

Plastictrees · 17/01/2025 14:56

@LadyTangerine Are you suggesting that the saying ‘black don’t crack’ is racist towards white people?

I believe she is. Meanwhile, the comment mentions nothing about white people. Her comment, on the other hand… 🙄

Plastictrees · 17/01/2025 18:17

GretchenWienersHair · 17/01/2025 18:12

I believe she is. Meanwhile, the comment mentions nothing about white people. Her comment, on the other hand… 🙄

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I keep saying it - MN really needs a facepalm react emoji.

tommyhoundmum · 17/01/2025 18:19

Perhaps your sister is envious of the compliments and wants to unsettle you a little for making them.Forget about it.

Dinosaurhearmeroar · 17/01/2025 18:42

Reminds me of the time when Katy Perry was on graham Norton and told Ross noble he was racist for saying “Chinese people.” Just exposes idiocy!!

Lizziespring · 17/01/2025 19:05

My neighbour is from Somalia. On my last birthday she was surprised how old I am and I said it's my Jewish skin. "Ah, she replied, "it's like Black don't crack then, Jewish stays newish."
Your sister would probably hate both of us but we found it três amusing.

croydon15 · 17/01/2025 19:12

PhonePhonePhone · 16/01/2025 17:08

Maybe I should defend DSis a bit....

To be fair, her kids (who are biracial) have been experiencing some definite racism from both their white and their black friends, and I think perhaps DSis is on high alert to detect tiny signs of racism, to the extent that perhaps she perceives them when they're not there sometimes.

I think you are right your Dsis is looking to be offended when no offence was intended.

BobbyBiscuits · 17/01/2025 19:14

Well you didn't turn round and say 'black don't crack'! You said she looked good. It is often said (by white people) that black people age less. But you didn't mention her race. And you were being really friendly and nice. I honestly don't think there's a issue.

goingdownfighting · 17/01/2025 19:14

Fooking hell. If you can't pay someone a genuine compliment then you might as well not speak.

Retiredfromearlyyears · 17/01/2025 19:15

I am not a 'woke leftie' and I think your sister is being ridiculous.

SoapySponge · 17/01/2025 19:19

Your sister is a half-wit and should not be allowed out in public un-escorted.

browneyes77 · 17/01/2025 19:33

BingoLarge · 16/01/2025 15:48

A (black) friend of mine says that saying black don’t crack is racist- the assumption that all black people are alike and that if they’re aging well it’s because they’re somehow different or other to white people, rather than because a particular person has taken care of themselves or just happens to be youthful and beautiful. I find this more persuasive than the idea that complimenting someone on their appearance without referencing race at all is racist.

Mixed race woman here 🙋🏽‍♀️

Tell your friend it isn’t based off an ‘assumption’. It’s based off scientific fact.

Black skin contains more melanin and therefore doesn’t get as easily damaged by UV rays/the sun as lighter complexions do. It also contains more oil and therefore has more elasticity, meaning it can take longer to wrinkle. Black skin also has more collagen fibres.

So when we say ‘black don’t crack’ (which I say all the time when people compliment me on my skin and how I look), it’s literally because black skin does have properties that give it more durability.

StMarie4me · 17/01/2025 19:34

Nonsense. Definitely not.

restingbitchface30 · 17/01/2025 19:37

Absolutely not. I say this to my friend about his mum all the time. She is 60 and looks 40 at most. Like he says, black don’t crack!

Lovaduck74 · 17/01/2025 19:48

Ummm, no. It's a complement isn't it?

Illegally18 · 17/01/2025 19:49

Plastictrees · 17/01/2025 12:09

@LadyTangerine Of course beauty standards are based on whiteness! Those women you listed are very light skinned, and are considered attractive precisely because they meet Caucasian beauty standards more closely than darker skinned black women. Colourism is very much an issue too.

Yes, I agree, those women look very white. Beyonce's hair is streaked with blonde.