Free Luigi - crazy

[WillowTit]

The dark fandom behind CEO murder suspect Luigi Mangione - BBC News

this is crazy, but would it happen in UK?

I feel the same. Would it mean that by this action he is ultimately saving lives of people since that CEO would have caused deaths himself. Many more people struggled after he took over as CEO.

What happened in Middlesbrough? I missed this ?

My twitter timeline is awash with photos of the killer looking cool and handsome, there is a lot of effort being put into making him as sympathetic as possible.

The whole thing is very bizarre. And he has pleaded not guilty and is beaming in court photos.

The CEO of UHC was responsible for implementing policies that led to a 30% denial rate for claims.
How is he less of a murderer than Luigi Mangione? Or is it because he earned money doing it and lined his pockets to the tune of 10 million a year? just because he isn't putting a bullet in someone doesn't mean he wasn't directly responsible for their death and suffering. But it's somehow ok because profit is involved.
Estimates are that approximately 26000 people die every year in the USA due to healthcare denial. Add on to that the thousands who suffer but don't die because they can't get treatment, the ones who lose their homes or go bankrupt.
I can totally see why people are hero-worshipping him, they probably feel in a small way that justice has been served.

I don't think anyone in the UK would think that how the US deals with healthcare is ok in the slightest, and hearing about it just makes people even more grateful for the existence of the NHS (despite its many faults).

Gunning executives down in the street isn't the solution though, and lionising the murderer is exactly the sort of thing that encourages more of that behaviour. The sort of thing that they are told to avoid with school shootings.

Would people be hero-worshipping him if he were black, middle-aged and ugly? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be if he were a Muslim immigrant.

Many many children in the US have lost a parent because of these barbaric rules by United. Where’s the compassion for them? They are also fatherless or motherless. Many of them now live in poverty, they don’t have the cushion of those millions of dollars. My sympathy is more for those children to be honest.

I’ve seen refusal letters people have posted online. People being turned down for lifesaving treatment. For wheelchairs for children. For things the doctors have said is necessary. For things that we would get on the NHS.

And I’ve seen the court photos, he is not ‘beaming’ in any of them.

I’m absolutely 100% Team Luigi here.

What I consider very Black Mirror is that the CEO of a medical insurance company can make greedy decisions resulting in the deaths of many people and it’s all perfectly legal.

I’m absolutely 100% Team Luigi here.

Who do you think that he should be allowed to murder next then? Where do you draw the line?

I think people are ok with this until they find they have fallen on the wrong side of the line themselves. Then what - would they consider themselves fair game? I doubt it.

Stuff like this all over the internet - absolutely nuts and my heart goes out to BT’s family having to watch all this madness.

Exactly! I could imagine something similar happening to Boris Chickenfeed Johnson when it came out he was having parties while peoples family members were dying alone (including children). The lack of compassion was very obvious.

I found it noticeable in the earliest reports that online comments seemed to be story after story of personal experiences with health insurers.

I think a lot of Americans completely identify with the reasons that may have led him to that point. It’s similar to how people can empathise with a parent attacking their child’s abuser.

could it happen here? Maybe. But I think our fundamental needs are supported better.

Hopefully this is just the start of it. The ‘victim’ didn’t give a fuck about the lives of any of the people that earned him his fortune.
His sons don’t deserve more empathy than all the other thousands of children who lost their parents due to them being turned down by the insurance company.

Could it happen here? We don't have America's gun problem.

More likely to have a milkshake thrown.

@noblegiraffe

”Would people be hero-worshipping him if he were black, middle-aged and ugly? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't be if he were a Muslim immigrant.”

As you are probably aware, the ‘hero worshipping’ started before any facial photos were released. It started as soon as the victim was identified as working for United.

Not true though, it escalated into ridiculousness once the first images were released and there's very much a focus on his looks on social media.

What I saw was disinterest in tracking down the killer and lack of sympathy for the victim. I'd say the serious interest on my timeline started when the 'suspect' photo was released of him smiling at the woman at the counter, with what was a very attractive smile.

This case is so fascinating. It's really blown the doors wide open on wealth disparity and elite corruption in the States. I think people have finally realised how long they've been gaslit by politicians and the media, who shield the 1% and does its utmost to distract everyone with banal culture war nonsense. People across the political spectrum are showing support for Luigi and the establishment are flailing about trying to wrangle back control on the narrative, not realising how innately out of touch they are.

Of course Luigi is presumed innocent until proven guilty. I think he'll be exonerated as there's no way to ensure a fair trial with all this media furore, marching him around the place in front of the cameras and heaping on the most severe charges, threatening the death penalty to make an example of him. Even the NY mayor is already making public statements about him as if he's guilty.

He was already being praised when people discovered who the victim was, he was also being praised when the only image of the suspected shooter was the back view of someone in a coat.

I lived in the states for a while, you would struggle to find a family where someone hadn’t had their life ruined due to health insurance claim denial. The fear of being unwell is very very real.

Are you honestly claiming that it would have blown up just like this if he were a Muslim immigrant or middle-aged black man?

People were saying he was a modern day Robin Hood and that sort of thing before photos were released.

There is a focus on his looks since the photos were released but the ‘hero worship’ started pretty much straight away.

Well history would say you’re wrong on that. Some of the biggest shifts in civilisation have been accompanied by bloodshed.

its all very well shrugging and saying ‘well capitalism is just doing its thing’ but for capitalism to truly work there are going to be losers. Once the balance shifts to more have-nots than benefactors then you have a lot of people that aren’t really keen on just shrugging themselves and accepting their lot. They’ve got little to lose…

TBF, in his view it doesn't matter if his "bright future" is now gone as his "bright future" may just be poverty and always being bankrupt due to medical bills past & present. At least he will get free medical care in prison.

For some people in the USA, it's better to be in prison for free healthcare than permanently bankrupt outside or dead due to lack of affordable medical treatment.

His intention seems to have been to highlight the injustice in the system. Social justice will always attract young people to fight, so in a country where shooting to kill is normalised from childhood, what do they expect?

I don't believe in taking the law into their own hands and murder is always wrong.

However, it has shown how absolutely hypocritical the states is. 50 armed guards escorting him via helicopter ( which backfired massively as made more of a social media icon of him) was not really necessary.
Where was the outcry for the school shooting last week, just thoughts and prayers for the 314 school shootings this year.

America is a capitalist experiment that has failed.

I can see why the US are banning TiKTok there are numerous people using their platform for these questions.