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AllPlayedOut · 26/12/2024 13:26

I don't think dressing mannequins up is " deify a murderer".

I’m not talking about the mannequins specifically but he absolutely is being deified which is revolting. The same people would be deriding him if he killed someone they support even if their belief that it was necessary and would bring about change was just as real.

AllPlayedOut · 26/12/2024 13:35

What else could he do? Well it’s quite a list but here’s a few…

He’s not your average Joe. You talk of class war yet he and his family have benefited from the misery of others but that asides with all his money and privilege he could .,.

Become a physician and offer free or reduced care.
Pay off people’s debts
Start his own healthcare company
Pay for reduced or free healthcare
Become a politician and try to make real change.
Become a lawyer and help people fight the system pro bono.

I’m sure there’s a lot more that people more creative than me could think of but unlike most people Luigi had options and opportunities your average person could never dream of and instead of using that privilege to make real change he murders a man. A man who will only be replaced by the next CEO.

AllPlayedOut · 26/12/2024 13:46

He also may have wanted to take a good look at his own family’s company, Lorien Health Services, considering that their assisted living facilities have multiple violations, far more than average, for neglect, health and safety violations and ignoring other regulations

AlwaysGinPlease · 26/12/2024 13:49

reesewithoutaspoon · 24/12/2024 12:47

The CEO of UHC was responsible for implementing policies that led to a 30% denial rate for claims.
How is he less of a murderer than Luigi Mangione? Or is it because he earned money doing it and lined his pockets to the tune of 10 million a year? just because he isn't putting a bullet in someone doesn't mean he wasn't directly responsible for their death and suffering. But it's somehow ok because profit is involved.
Estimates are that approximately 26000 people die every year in the USA due to healthcare denial. Add on to that the thousands who suffer but don't die because they can't get treatment, the ones who lose their homes or go bankrupt.
I can totally see why people are hero-worshipping him, they probably feel in a small way that justice has been served.

Absolutely. He was a vile abhorrent "man" that lived the high life on the proceeds of peoples pain,misery,suffering and death. Like a famous comedian recently said about this, sometimes drug dealers get shot. Team Luigi.

@IAm16StoneHalloween2024 I totally agree with your post too.

Waggytail · 26/12/2024 14:04

AllPlayedOut · 26/12/2024 13:26

I don't think dressing mannequins up is " deify a murderer".

I’m not talking about the mannequins specifically but he absolutely is being deified which is revolting. The same people would be deriding him if he killed someone they support even if their belief that it was necessary and would bring about change was just as real.

Well sure but keep in mind this is happening in a landscape of mindless gun violence in the States. It's actually quite refreshing to see a young man 'punch up' against the system - the story is usually they go and shoot up innocent kids in schools or murder their ex girlfriends. The fact that he is handsome, well turned out, and from his social media posts just seems like a normal guy adds to the intrigue and appeal. Very easy to get hooked on him and his story, and to not give two shits about the extremely unsympathetic murder victim.

IDontEvenLikeMincePies · 26/12/2024 14:07

AllPlayedOut · 26/12/2024 13:35

What else could he do? Well it’s quite a list but here’s a few…

He’s not your average Joe. You talk of class war yet he and his family have benefited from the misery of others but that asides with all his money and privilege he could .,.

Become a physician and offer free or reduced care.
Pay off people’s debts
Start his own healthcare company
Pay for reduced or free healthcare
Become a politician and try to make real change.
Become a lawyer and help people fight the system pro bono.

I’m sure there’s a lot more that people more creative than me could think of but unlike most people Luigi had options and opportunities your average person could never dream of and instead of using that privilege to make real change he murders a man. A man who will only be replaced by the next CEO.

People have been doing the things on your list for years and nothing has changed in America, in fact it's got worse.
If nothing else, he's started a conversation, maybe this is the beginning of something bigger. Maybe society has reached a tipping point like it has done many times in history and real change will happen.

AllPlayedOut · 26/12/2024 14:08

He was a vile abhorrent "man" that lived the high life on the proceeds of peoples pain,misery,suffering and death

So rather like another family I know of? Their name begins with M. Italian heritage possibly.

AllPlayedOut · 26/12/2024 14:15

People have been doing the things on your list for years and nothing has changed in America, in fact it's got worse.

Have they? People with real wealth, power and influence like Luigi?

And ordinary Americans have been talking about the problems with healthcare for a long time.. Some rich privileged, spoiled insecure man whom the healthcare system helped to put through his prestigious school and college does not deserve the credit especially when he’s happy to ignore how he and his family personally benefited from it. And apparently his supporters are happy to ignore that inconvenient fact also.

And I very much doubt that the death of one CEO, one cog in the system, whose position is easily replaceable is going to result in any real change.

IDontEvenLikeMincePies · 26/12/2024 14:27

AllPlayedOut · 26/12/2024 14:08

He was a vile abhorrent "man" that lived the high life on the proceeds of peoples pain,misery,suffering and death

So rather like another family I know of? Their name begins with M. Italian heritage possibly.

Where are you getting your information about his family from? Seems a bit skewed

IDontEvenLikeMincePies · 26/12/2024 14:30

AllPlayedOut · 26/12/2024 14:15

People have been doing the things on your list for years and nothing has changed in America, in fact it's got worse.

Have they? People with real wealth, power and influence like Luigi?

And ordinary Americans have been talking about the problems with healthcare for a long time.. Some rich privileged, spoiled insecure man whom the healthcare system helped to put through his prestigious school and college does not deserve the credit especially when he’s happy to ignore how he and his family personally benefited from it. And apparently his supporters are happy to ignore that inconvenient fact also.

And I very much doubt that the death of one CEO, one cog in the system, whose position is easily replaceable is going to result in any real change.

His family's wealth and influence is a drop in the ocean compared with the big corporations and media.

I don't know if it will make any difference but you've got to hope, haven't you.

WhatUSeeIsWhatUGet · 26/12/2024 14:37

fromthevault · 14/12/2024 12:54

I think it's hard for us in the UK to understand the depth of feeling around the health insurance issue, as we simply don't have a comparable frame of reference. But the stark facts are that every year thousands of people in the US go bankrupt, lose their homes, suffer with chronic untreated pain or even die because of refusal of companies like UHC to pay for necessary treatment. And these are not people asking for something for nothing - they've often paid hundreds of dollars a month for coverage that simply isn't there when they need it.

It's a truly shocking situation and I am not in the least bit surprised that so many people are supportive of Mangione's actions. I'm actually surprised it's not happened sooner. I'm not condoning murder, but many many people's lives have been destroyed by the practices of men like Thompson, in the pursuit of profit.

Add to that the fact that Mangione is a young, handsome guy with a heavy social media prescence and of course tiktok etc has gone batshit crazy for him. The trial will be fascinating.

Yes, I agree with this interpretation. In the eyes of many people, it's a kind of tyrannicide.

AllPlayedOut · 26/12/2024 15:04

His family's wealth and influence is a drop in the ocean compared with the big corporations and media.
I don't know if it will make any difference but you've got to hope, haven't you.

Is it? They have at least as much as the CEO did and most likely considerably more with all their assets. And exactly how much wealth do they need to have before you care to find them accountable? All this idol worship of a wealthy privileged man whose family enjoy much of their wealth thanks to the American health care system that Luigi was supposedly rallying against is making me wonder exactly who Brian Thompson would have had to kill in order to have been considered a hero. A hero who was happy to confront the exploitation of ordinary people inherent in the healthcare system yet comfortable with ignoring the Mangione’s exploitation of healthcare and poorly run assisted living facilities with their neglected residents but again his supporters will continue to ignore and excuse that because it goes against everything that they wish believe about their hero.

And yes I live in hope that there will be real change but I don’t want change as a result of this. It’d be wrong and incredibly dangerous to reward people for committing murder.

Begsthequestion · 26/12/2024 15:21

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - JFK

batt3nb3rg · 26/12/2024 15:44

noblegiraffe · 24/12/2024 13:07

I’m absolutely 100% Team Luigi here.

Who do you think that he should be allowed to murder next then? Where do you draw the line?

I draw the line at people who are not directly responsible for thousands dying or suffering.

Personally I think this is a case that will be nearly impossible to get a conviction - jury nullification is almost inebitable. If I was on this jury I would refuse to return a guilty verdict because I see it as a very clear-cut case of killing in defence of another person's life.

Piccalino3 · 26/12/2024 15:50

I don't think they have the right person here, but it has captured people's attention and hearts because he has a platform that he has used to highlight injustices. He is a white, young, attractive and highly educated and intelligent rich man who has seemingly taken a stand against an industry, and all it represents, that harms and kills many American people. He is one of them, they cannot blame immigration, race, age, poverty, sex or any other of the usual excuses. People feel he stood up for them.

I have no sympathy for Brian Thompson, it's sad for his children, but then it's sad for all the children who's parents have died or had their lives cut short from being denied medical care - for which they have paid for. Even his own board didn't stop the meeting while he lay dead outside the hotel.

I hope Luigi goes free and I hope we see a push back from the masses, I hope this is the start of a movement. It is unacceptable for the 1% to own 30% of a nations wealth. Wealth inequality is good for no one and is contributing hugely to the current mess that the USA now finds itself in. Poverty affects everyone, when we lift everyone up we all do better. No one should ever become bankrupt or lose their home to fund medical bills.

1457bloom · 26/12/2024 18:51

No one in this is condoning murder, this is a nation connecting with one man's frustration/ despair with the US healthcare system.

Rosbeet · 26/12/2024 18:55

Jostuki · 21/12/2024 21:27

The victim may have been the most evilest of men but he had two sons who are now left without a father. Why should two innocent boys be punished?

That's why I am against portraying the killer as any kind of hero.

How many children are left without parents because the CEO valued his 10mill a year salary over their parents lives?

Karma's a bitch.

Lyannaa · 26/12/2024 20:23

I'd be interested to see how many people would identify with a man shooting the prime minister at the height of Tory cuts which definitely did cause utter misery and deaths to the disabled.

It's ridiculous. You don't murder people to get your point across. It makes you no more than a terrorist.

NordicwithTeen · 26/12/2024 20:43

Lyannaa · 26/12/2024 20:23

I'd be interested to see how many people would identify with a man shooting the prime minister at the height of Tory cuts which definitely did cause utter misery and deaths to the disabled.

It's ridiculous. You don't murder people to get your point across. It makes you no more than a terrorist.

So what does murdering people for profit make them?

Begsthequestion · 27/12/2024 01:14

Lyannaa · 26/12/2024 20:23

I'd be interested to see how many people would identify with a man shooting the prime minister at the height of Tory cuts which definitely did cause utter misery and deaths to the disabled.

It's ridiculous. You don't murder people to get your point across. It makes you no more than a terrorist.

I'd be interested to know this too. It's probably more than you'd think.

So what does murdering people for profit make them?

This as well.

Lyannaa · 27/12/2024 02:18

Come on now. If this was a black guy who shot someone in cold blood, nobody would be saying this was understandable.

Insurance companies have been this way in the US since the beginning of time. America is a very cut-throat country where people focus primarily on money and always has been.

People see a good looking white guy and think oh let's sympathise with him. Whatever was going on with him could have been motivated by the fact that he has a very severe back problem and pain.

sadmillenial · 27/12/2024 03:01

i think the most interesting part of the media response to this in America is how initially the right wing grifters like Shapiro, etc tried to do a "lefty woke mob glorify a murderer" takedown, but it became so apparent so quickly that actually most of their followers were sympathetic to his manifesto
The silence from this part of the media is so noticeable.... they just don't know how to talk about it!
I hope it sparks a genuine conversation and resistance movement, the current health care system in the US literally kills poor people, i cant understand how there hasnt been more pushback and protest already

SerendipityJane · 27/12/2024 10:38

sadmillenial · 27/12/2024 03:01

i think the most interesting part of the media response to this in America is how initially the right wing grifters like Shapiro, etc tried to do a "lefty woke mob glorify a murderer" takedown, but it became so apparent so quickly that actually most of their followers were sympathetic to his manifesto
The silence from this part of the media is so noticeable.... they just don't know how to talk about it!
I hope it sparks a genuine conversation and resistance movement, the current health care system in the US literally kills poor people, i cant understand how there hasnt been more pushback and protest already

Very similar to how Farage emerges like a scalded weasel when there is tragedy with his "it must be the muslimics*" spiel, only to disappear quicker than a willy in winter when it emerges the perpetrator is actually a right wing fanbois. As with that terrible Southport tragedy.

*Or one of his other dog-whistle notes.

Begsthequestion · 27/12/2024 12:38

Lyannaa · 27/12/2024 02:18

Come on now. If this was a black guy who shot someone in cold blood, nobody would be saying this was understandable.

Insurance companies have been this way in the US since the beginning of time. America is a very cut-throat country where people focus primarily on money and always has been.

People see a good looking white guy and think oh let's sympathise with him. Whatever was going on with him could have been motivated by the fact that he has a very severe back problem and pain.

Is that how you think? You wouldn't understand if a black guy did it?

I would though. I might suspect he had even more reason to do it, considering the documented racism in the US healthcare system.

Ecstaticmotion · 27/12/2024 12:39

lol I guess social circles are v different cos all my friends also support Luigi and we are in the UK… maybe you don’t understand I) the healthcare issues in the USA ii) how political and social change occur throughout history