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Kamala supporters/ democrats: why do you think you've lost?

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TERFCat · 06/11/2024 09:56

From reading Twitter, the rhetoric on the left seems to be that they've lost because Trump voters are stupid, racist, sexist etc etc.

Personally, I think that the conversation needs far more nuance than name calling.

I'm left wing but can't vote for anyone who will allow men into women's safe spaces or will sterilize autistic/ gay children. If this makes me "thick" or "fascist", then so be it, but those names won't change my vote.

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TERFCat · 06/11/2024 10:31

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YellowDaffodilRedTulip · 06/11/2024 10:32

white men will always win against black women in America.

TheFreaksShallInheritTheEarth · 06/11/2024 10:33

I'm left wing but can't vote for anyone who will allow men into women's safe spaces

Is an actual sex offender better then??

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Mischance · 06/11/2024 10:34

They lost because they allowed an elderly man who was not up to the job to carry on in post unchecked. They lost because they realised this too late before they could take a measured decision about an election candidate.

TheShellBeach · 06/11/2024 10:36

Mischance · 06/11/2024 10:34

They lost because they allowed an elderly man who was not up to the job to carry on in post unchecked. They lost because they realised this too late before they could take a measured decision about an election candidate.

That is exactly it. Biden held on for far too long.
I'm so angry with his team and family.

Westfacing · 06/11/2024 10:37

I'm not a Kamala supporter.

I hope it turns out that the Democrats lost Pennsylvania because of Gaza - Trump is loathsome but Biden and Harris have been in charge during the US-funded bloodshed.

hattie43 · 06/11/2024 10:38

They lost because she simply didn't win hearts , minds and wallets . Her campaign wheeling out celebrities smacked of desperation. Yes she had the big teeth , the glamour the pizz zazz but no actual policies .
Obamas played a stronger campaign role than she did .

LizzieBowesLyon · 06/11/2024 10:38

YellowDaffodilRedTulip · 06/11/2024 10:32

white men will always win against black women in America.

This. And there are plenty of sexists of all races who think this isn’t the job for ANY woman. Hilary showed that.

samG76 · 06/11/2024 10:41

She lost because she ran a rubbish campaign and couldn't put a coherent sentence together without lapsing into "Californian". Middle east was a side-show, I reckon.

TheFlis · 06/11/2024 10:42

I have spent enough time in the southern US to know that a scary amount of people there, including young intelligent, educated women, will never vote for someone who is not white.

Serriadh · 06/11/2024 10:44

People saw prices rocket because of inflation under Biden. Biden didn’t stand down soon enough to allow a primary selection process and/or to find a candidate who wasn’t inextricably linked with the Biden administration. Lots of people believed Trump that inflation was Biden and Harris’s fault and he will fix it.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/11/2024 10:47

I'm left wing but can't vote for anyone who will allow men into women's safe spaces or will sterilize autistic/ gay children.

Could you vote for a rapist that doesn't think women should have control over their own bodies?

skippy67 · 06/11/2024 10:47

samG76 · 06/11/2024 10:41

She lost because she ran a rubbish campaign and couldn't put a coherent sentence together without lapsing into "Californian". Middle east was a side-show, I reckon.

Meanwhile Trump shouts about immigrants eating cats and dogs, and stimulates oral sex on a microphone stand.
Watch and learn Kamala...

StudioFocusTricky · 06/11/2024 10:48

Biden should have stepped down in 2022 and let Harris take over then. And they should have held a full process of primaries to select whether Harris was the right candidate for the 2024 election. The last-minute ticket change was a really stupid move (although Biden staying on would have been even more stupid)

US elections aren't won or lost by undecided people choosing between Left and Right. They depend on how well the Right candidate does at inspiring right-leaning votes to bother to vote at all, and how well the Left candidate does at inspiring left-leaning votes to bother to vote at all.

caringcarer · 06/11/2024 10:49

TheShellBeach · 06/11/2024 10:36

That is exactly it. Biden held on for far too long.
I'm so angry with his team and family.

This, and because the economy is doing badly in the US. Rents are up over 35 percent since COVID. Fuel is up a lot and parents are struggling with putting food on the table for their kids. Harris has been part of the useless Biden administration and she was in charge of borders. She's as useless as Starmer on immigration.

FrostFlowers2025 · 06/11/2024 10:50

Hope.

Hope that we will ever live in a world that is emotionally, economically, politically and ecologically sustainable.

Edit: I read the title as "what" rather than "why"

Phial · 06/11/2024 10:54

I am totally against men allowed into women's spaces and also against sterilising autistic/gay children.

Voting for a rapist is not the answer to that.

As alluded to above, I think the election was lost by Biden holding on too long and not allowing the democrats to field a different (male) candidate.

CitizenZ · 06/11/2024 10:59

They lost because she is a woman. Simple as that.

LifeIsNeverKind · 06/11/2024 11:00

I hear all the reasons for not voting for Kamala Harris - in particular her refusal to support safe spaces and other fundamental protections for women and girls - but voting instead for the absolute horror show that is Trump? It's beyond belief.

Julen7 · 06/11/2024 11:01

hattie43 · 06/11/2024 10:38

They lost because she simply didn't win hearts , minds and wallets . Her campaign wheeling out celebrities smacked of desperation. Yes she had the big teeth , the glamour the pizz zazz but no actual policies .
Obamas played a stronger campaign role than she did .

This. The celebrity wheel out did her no favours.

myfitbitisfucked · 06/11/2024 11:15

The irony being of course a mad old man has replaced another one.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 06/11/2024 11:17

Westfacing · 06/11/2024 10:37

I'm not a Kamala supporter.

I hope it turns out that the Democrats lost Pennsylvania because of Gaza - Trump is loathsome but Biden and Harris have been in charge during the US-funded bloodshed.

And you think Trump won;t support Israel?

Netanyaou has just been given carte blanche to do what the hell he wants.

Well done to the Palestinian supporters!

NC4thread · 06/11/2024 11:17

Julen7 · 06/11/2024 11:01

This. The celebrity wheel out did her no favours.

It was an awful look. Reminded me of those dumb movies where the “dorky” kid does favors for the popular kids to, in turn, become popular.

Then again, elections were always just popularity contests. Just so happened that Trump was more popular I guess

QuotetheRaven · 06/11/2024 11:20

No focus on policies and no focus on what people care about.
People care about their wallets, Trump focused on the economy, keeping jobs, protecting the US, immigration, and stop throwing money at Ukraine - instead sort out disaster areas in the US. He also rejected the insane trans push to remove women only spaces. They are not women. Trumps personality is not relevant to the every day man, the cost of groceries and womens safety is.

SpidersAreShitheads · 06/11/2024 11:22

Trump's behaviour during his campaign has been extremely bizarre at times. He's rambled, displayed confusion, stumbled around, and been incoherent. That's on top of his usual mad lies and wild claims that are clearly just bollocks.

At this point, I don't think there's anything he could do that could put off his legion of ardent fans. He's been convicted of sexual assault, has further felony charges pending, incited a riot where people were killed, and tried to undermine democracy by refusing to accept the results of the last election. The man is absolutely insane.

So the question is, why are people still voting for a complete fucking loon rather than Kamala Harris who seems a pretty decent person, even if I don't agree with her on everything?

There's not one single answer:

a) The USA has struggled since COVID and inflation has risen - rightly or wrongly, the public blames Biden and the Democrats
b) Because of a), the Democrat approval rate is very low and people don't want to re-elect the same government they believe are to blame for their financial woes
c) Kamala Harris is closely tied to Biden as his VP, therefore she's perceived as being part of the current problems
d) People believe that Kamala lied deliberately about Biden's health and therefore can't be trusted (but Trump is definitely TOTALLY trustworthy....)
e) Some people will always vote Republican
f) Some people find Kamala's views on women's rights extremely problematic and believe that women will be put in real danger by the loss of their identity and single sex spaces
g) Connected to f) - people are unhappy about gender ideology being pushed at school with no way of removing parental consent
h) Kamala is black
i) Kamala is a woman
k) Trump is an racist xenophobe and this strikes a chord with people who hold similar views
l) People believe Trump's bollocks about being victimised and think he's some kind of people's champion
m) People think that Trump did a good job last time and will be able to do exactly the same again
n) People think that Trump can magically stop wars overnight with his Big Man energy
o) Some people just really like Trump and believe whatever he says because he's charismatic
p) People struggle to connect with Kamala and can't identify with her core messages
q) Kamala didn't do a good enough job of highlighting Trump's flaws
r) Biden should have resigned earlier and allowed the new candidate longer to campaign
s) The Democrats prioritised Kamala's feelings rather than thinking what type of candidate they needed to beat Trump
t) More of the public could identify with Trump's messages and felt he is one of them (despite his millions in the bank)

Either one or a combination of some of the above will probably apply to most Trump voters.

I am extremely gender critical and I'm not happy at all about the Democrats approach to gender ideology. I think it's regressive and harmful. However, I still think that the Democrats would have been less of a threat to women and women's health than Trump.

I sympathise with those who felt they had no one to vote for. Many of us felt the same in the UK with the recent general election.

The fact is, there is a hardcore of Trump supporters who are deeply unpleasant people, and spout really unpleasant views. And because he is similarly unpleasant, it's extremely easy to assume they're all like that. It's also really hard to understand how anyone could ignore the fact that he's corrupt to the core, and a very dangerous man. So it's often just easier to dismiss his supporters as crazy bigots rather than consider the wider picture which is often more complex.