Kamala supporters/ democrats: why do you think you've lost?

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From reading Twitter, the rhetoric on the left seems to be that they've lost because Trump voters are stupid, racist, sexist etc etc.

Personally, I think that the conversation needs far more nuance than name calling.

I'm left wing but can't vote for anyone who will allow men into women's safe spaces or will sterilize autistic/ gay children. If this makes me "thick" or "fascist", then so be it, but those names won't change my vote.

Biden was abysmal as president. Politics is far more about the person these days rather than policies…populism. That is why the likes or Boris Johnson were so popular (and unpopular). Trump has personality and used instances such as the assassination attempts to his advantage.
illegal immigration soared over the past 4 years, taxes rose, American business slowed and the handling of overseas relations was poor. Harris wanted to insanely tax businesses, give money away (home ownership schem etc) when there was no money to be given away, and couldn’t put together a sentence when pushed on her policies.
Trump backtracked on the abortion debate which helped him, and is pro-growth, low tax.

Trump had a slogan
"Trump is for you, Kamala is for they /them".
The fact they this woman condones males in female sports, toilets & private women's spaces is disgusting. Also condones pumping children with life changing hormones & undergoing major reconstructive surgery in the name of gender ideology is unforgivable & unforgettable.
Too woke. No wonder Trump won & the Republicans cleaned out house.

Well said 😢

Probably the economy. Also economic illiteracy. A lot of people are really hurting and I get it. However, why on earth does anyone think it's going to be magically better under Trump?

I'm liking this shift Kemi in, Trump back , JD Vance seems to have plenty of common sense & will not bow & scrape to progressive, liberal ideologies that are demanded by a small minority

The exit polls are clear. The issue that worries the majority of Americans is the economy. The data is also clear. Inflation, and therefore prices, have risen significantly during the Biden presidency. Though they started to reduce towards the end of his presidency, the damage has been done. In the same way that the Tories were punished for the UK cost of living crisis, Harris has been punished by voters in the US.

There's still a perception in the USA that Trump, the successful businessman, has the skills to improve the US economy. His policies sound like they should do that (of course look deeper and they probably won't). Harris was on a losing street to start with - not the incumbent but carrying the blame of an incumbent president. Her campaign never really addressed economic realities - possibly because economic pressures are occuring due to global macro-level economics, and there isn't a rational solution (as the UK is currently finding out)

If wishes were horses, but had Biden stood aside from the start and allowed a full primary process to run, maybe a better Democratic candidate would have stood a better chance. But equally, American history tells us that the outcomes are generally negative when an incumbent stands aside.....

Yep

Is Trump going to ban all this?
As it seems to be a big vote winner, I assume he'll do it quickly.

I am no fan of Trump but I would quite like this to happen (and honestly have no expectations that it will)..

Yes, in my own lifetime I have seen social mobility go into retreat. Celebrities are the new aristocracy. Nepo babies, lucrative and interesting careers that you only have a hope of doing if you are born rich, lecturing people who travel by bus and can't afford to switch the heating on about climate change when you commute by private jet and superyacht. These people are more likely to repel than attract.

(And, yes, I am aware that Trump is himself a beneficiary of nepotism and being born rich.)

Yes apparently so. It's one of the big issues he's tackling. The Republicans have the Senate & house too so they have even more power to halt this.

I saw a small bit of an interview with Kamala last week and she kept saying, we need to be more woke, you can’t have too much woke, etc. I thought that seemed a strange thing to do as it could put an awful lot of people off who might have been wavering.

👆🏽 it's so obvious I'm actually astounded that so many people can't understand this.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-pledges-protect-womens-sports-from-male-athletes-during-faulkner-town-hall-we-absolutely-stop-it

Because of misogyny, racism and hatred of immigrants.

And the right's lies.

So, so many lies.

And because at a time of planetary uncertainty, the past looks more attractive than the future.

Every single fascist in history has won the popular mandate by glorifying traditional gender roles. By vilifying marginalised people. By identifying and then 'othering' a common 'enemy'.

Trump's flavour of leadership is completely on brand with modern fascism.

she ran a rubbish campaign and in further posts I mentioned the fact that she had weak policies and failed to understand the needs of the American people.

completely agree with @Lampzade here

I think the next US administration is going to make life completely intolerable and very very dangerous for transgender people.

And the transphobes of mumsnet will revel in it.

What are the great policies that Trump has outlined in his campaign?

Childcare?

Healthcare?

Housing?

Climate?

Education?

They lost also because Harris is the incumbent and a global trend in this year of elections has been voting in change, voting in the opposition. Not everywhere but majority of the 64 countries that had general elections this year.

They lost because of the economy too.

But also the Democrat party need to invest like anything in their future leaders. Especially people with corporate, business, acumen. The work the Obamas are doing in identifying and mentoring young political talent is very important.

Agree with this. At the end of the day, most Trump voters are probably not the racist, misogynistic idiots that the left likes to portray them as, they are just looking out for themselves and their families and think that overall he will boost the economy, provide better job stability etc. I vote almost exclusively on that basis in the UK - I can't stand Farage but if at the next election it looks like he has a better chance at overturning Labour he'll get my vote as I'd rather vote for a racist over a party that is trashing the economy, raising taxes, failing to control public spending and allowing unfettered illegal immigration. I'm a highly paid professional with a PhD not some brainwashed idiot. I care about women's rights but not as much as I care about my own family's financial situation. If those on the left want to cry that that makes me a selfish racist then so be it, but it doesn't change how I would vote and I expect the same applied to a lot of Americans last night.

my feeling is that he won't be rushing to do anything of the sort. He will hunker down first and go for immigration and taxes. Anything to reduce the state spend further.

And at some point, if people start shouting about him not keeping his promises re women's sports and spaces, he'll do as little as possible to keep them quiet.

As my dad used to say about some of his colleagues: his aim is to do as little as possible as often as he can.

How exactly would they make it dangerous ? Males should not be allowed take part in female sports or infiltrate our female only spaces against our wishes.
Children should not be allowed be pumped up with irreversible puberty blockers, mutilated & sterilised in the name of gender ideology.
I'm sure it would be safer for transgender people to have trans sport teams & private spaces if they do not wish to use the ones of their biological sex.
Trump has pledged to protect women's sports from males last month

www.foxnews.com/media/trump-pledges-protect-womens-sports-from-male-athletes-during-faulkner-town-hall-we-absolutely-stop-it

Ay but Vance & the Republicans are also very opposed to males infiltrating females activities so I'm expecting them to do good work here as it was one of their hot campaign topics.

Don’t forget the incessant giggling!

he didn't. But nobody expects him to (nobody who understands politics anyway)

All he had to do was get on a stage, waffle on about shit like making America great again, stopping immigrants eating your dog and more jobs for everyone.

But Kamala and the democrats were held to a much much higher standard in this (by commentators and people talking on the internet and so on) so they wanted actual plans and policies.

We all understand that Trump will actually do nothing. Last time i had hoped he'd appoint competent people and let them get on with it. I wasn't right there so i don't have that expectation again. He's already indicated who will be in charge of health (not good) and has a job for Musk (double plus not good) but who cares, right?

He's a great guy, did a stint at McDonalds, had good rallies, FGS someone tried to shoot him. Twice. He's going to stop all those illegals eating your pets and taking your homes and jobs.

That is the thinking.

oh i agree they will do something. But it is not now, and never was, their priority. But boy oh boy did the promise go down well. And single issue voters went for it in a lot of cases.

As for "it's going to be tough for trans people" boo fucking hoo, tbh. I feel bad for anyone who is going to have a tough time. But now trans women can get that Full Woman Experience of being ignored and shafted by politics.