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I’m scared now I’ve realised this

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Pickandmixmood · 29/10/2024 11:00

I was thinking that the US public wouldn’t vote for Trump now that it is so apparent he is such a fascist. It’s terrifying to realise that they already know that and that is why they are going to vote for him.
I’m scared for the world.

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ruethewhirl · 01/11/2024 16:53

Deja321 · 01/11/2024 16:50

When did he do that? Are you talking about the 'grab them by the p*ssy thing'? I have listened to that audio from years ago and it seemed very obvious to me that he was joking and he said it was 'locker room talk'. I understand if you found it offensive and crude but I struggle to believe that you couldn't pick up that it was a joke, not a confession. Do you honestly believe he walked up to women and did that?
What about Bidens inappropriate behaviour? Clinton's?

But who would want a man running their country that could even think it was an appropriate joke to make?? Ditto all the disgusting 'jokes' about his daughter.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/11/2024 18:15

Deja321 · 01/11/2024 15:18

Well obviously I don't know that he is a rapist or serial sex offender. It's a possibility but i don't blindly believe everything that is said about him and because I listen to people outside of our mainstream media, I hear alot of women who have known him for years, worked for him, speak very highly of him. Should I ignore their testimonies and only listen to people like you who have never met him?
And I don't believe that biden/obama/clinton's etc are good people.

I don't know that he tried to overthrow the election. I think he and his supporters had serious concerns re voter fraud so held a protest. He said march peacefully and patriotically which the vast majority did. And he left the white house afterwards. Do you condemn other protests/riots or are they acceptable if you agree with the cause?

And who died that day? Ashley Babbit an unarmed Trump supporter. They shot her dead but they labelled her a domestic terrorist so many of you would think her murder was justified. I didn't think it was.

Yes I think they have gone to great lengths to have him silenced. They really couldn't have done much more. There's huge double standard and bias when it comes to media reporting.
If I was him I would have given up by now
He certainly doesn't need the money.

Like I said if you don't like him fine, don't vote for him. Just stop the lies and trying to silence and demonise anyone who doesn't vote the same as you. Alot of people that hate trump hate him because the media told them to. Saying you care about women or ethnic minorities, but again only if they think the same as you. Anyone that dares to have a different opinion or raise concerns about the democrats gets abuse or told to be silent.

He said he sexually assaults women.
Women have said they were sexually assaulted by him.
A court found that he sexually assaulted at least one woman.

What more do you need? Do you need to see him do it with your own eyes? Do you feel the same way about other abusers? Epstein? Saville? OJ Simpson?

He tried to overthrow the election results. First he asked election officials to find him enough votes to win. Then he launched a campaign of intimidation against Election workers. Then he called for violent insurrection on 6th January. He called the mob onto the streets of the capital and he urged them to fight like hell.

You really should consume some mainstream media instead of relying on Internet echo chambers for all your information. Donald Trump is no-one's victim.

Thatmakesperfectsense · 01/11/2024 18:19

ruethewhirl · 01/11/2024 16:53

But who would want a man running their country that could even think it was an appropriate joke to make?? Ditto all the disgusting 'jokes' about his daughter.

Well what about Joe Biden and his daughter, Ashley, she wrote in her dairy that he took inappropriate showers with her.
He also inappropriately sniffs young girls hair:

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Also Kamala Harris's husband Doug Emhoff had an affair with his ex wife's nanny and a woman he used to date said that he slapped her hard after a night out at a Gala when he got jealous she was talking to a valet. He has not refuted any of the allegations:

Last week, 'Jane' recounted her story to DailyMail.com – including that Emhoff 'slapped me so hard I spun around,' and that Emhoff told her he was accused by his mistress of causing her to miscarry their baby.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13981101/doug-emhoff-ex-girlfriend-slap-flirt-allegations-kamala-harris.html

lifeturnsonadime · 01/11/2024 18:32

Also Kamala Harris's husband Doug Emhoff had an affair with his ex wife's nanny and a woman he used to date said that he slapped her hard after a night out at a Gala when he got jealous she was talking to a valet. He has not refuted any of the allegations:

I'm no Harris fan , but since when is a woman responsible for the infidelity of her husband?

Especially when the incident occured before they were married.

This is really low.

Deja321 · 01/11/2024 18:34

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/11/2024 18:15

He said he sexually assaults women.
Women have said they were sexually assaulted by him.
A court found that he sexually assaulted at least one woman.

What more do you need? Do you need to see him do it with your own eyes? Do you feel the same way about other abusers? Epstein? Saville? OJ Simpson?

He tried to overthrow the election results. First he asked election officials to find him enough votes to win. Then he launched a campaign of intimidation against Election workers. Then he called for violent insurrection on 6th January. He called the mob onto the streets of the capital and he urged them to fight like hell.

You really should consume some mainstream media instead of relying on Internet echo chambers for all your information. Donald Trump is no-one's victim.

I think you really need to listen to people outside of mainstream media. I don't think you realise that you are in the echo chamber. I have listened to both sides and come to my own conclusions.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 01/11/2024 19:40

Thatmakesperfectsense · 01/11/2024 18:19

Well what about Joe Biden and his daughter, Ashley, she wrote in her dairy that he took inappropriate showers with her.
He also inappropriately sniffs young girls hair:

a

Also Kamala Harris's husband Doug Emhoff had an affair with his ex wife's nanny and a woman he used to date said that he slapped her hard after a night out at a Gala when he got jealous she was talking to a valet. He has not refuted any of the allegations:

Last week, 'Jane' recounted her story to DailyMail.com – including that Emhoff 'slapped me so hard I spun around,' and that Emhoff told her he was accused by his mistress of causing her to miscarry their baby.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13981101/doug-emhoff-ex-girlfriend-slap-flirt-allegations-kamala-harris.html

This is bollocks. Stop peddling shite.

Deja321 · 01/11/2024 20:22

Mumtobabyhavoc · 01/11/2024 19:40

This is bollocks. Stop peddling shite.

None so blind as those who will not see.

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 20:25

It's so incredibly close. Each time someone has a prediction it switches

Making me tense atm

MissConductUS · 01/11/2024 20:28

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 20:25

It's so incredibly close. Each time someone has a prediction it switches

Making me tense atm

It's even worse for the poor Yanks. 😁

poetryandwine · 01/11/2024 20:29

@Thatmakesperfectsense ,@Deja321

‘jane’ is not even DE’s girlfriend, she is a secondhand source and her name is in inverted commas. Please, everyone who has attained the age of reason knows how to assess such a ‘source’. If she were confident, she would come forward to respectable media who would interrogate her story - because if it stood up, it would have impact.

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 20:29

MissConductUS · 01/11/2024 20:28

It's even worse for the poor Yanks. 😁

I bet! It's bad enough over here

The keys guy said one way, but when I google a few others say the other and the radio poll just said the opposite

NotBadConsidering · 01/11/2024 20:37

poetryandwine · 01/11/2024 13:06

I take your point regarding the headline figures, as far as they go. However it appears that the consensus amongst the CDC, the NIH and others is that that 2021 figure was largely down to Covid.

Most compelling is a World Population Report state-by-state breakout of American maternal deaths for 2024 to some recent point. California is the most populous state, with over 40M people. Yet Texas, 2nd (I think) in population has well over 2x as many deaths, 400+ vs 170+. Demographics in TX and CA are similar. We know which one has draconian abortion laws. The very populous NY state is up there, 200+, but the other 2 states in the top 5 are Tennessee (small) and Georgia (moderate), both of which have severely restricted abortion.

The trend continues downwards. I am not expert on the populations and abortion regs of every state, but anyone reasonably familiar with the US can see it.

The very populous NY state is up there, 200+, but the other 2 states in the top 5 are Tennessee (small) and Georgia (moderate), both of which have severely restricted abortion.

But they are also states with high populations of African American women who have a disproportionately poorer MMR everywhere. In the UK, Afro-Caribbean women are similarly negatively affected. What changes in state legislature have happened in Tennessee and Georgia that have directly affected MMR and are directly to related to decisions Trump made from 2017-2021?

Pregnant women suffer because of lack of to abortion, of that there is no doubt. Attributing any negative outcome directly to decisions Trump made 2017-2021 is less clear.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 01/11/2024 20:46

Mumtobabyhavoc · 01/11/2024 19:40

This is bollocks. Stop peddling shite.

per previous @Deja321

nolongersurprised · 01/11/2024 20:48

Jom222 · 01/11/2024 14:17

exactly correct, not one person has mentioned trans rights in any convo re the upcoming election, on tv or irl. Its certainly an issue that needs addressing but the 2 main topics currently being hammered on by everybody in america are the economy and abortion rights.

The trans problem is TINY in comparison to the above esp as relates to the election. We're worried about a potential fascist that could literally destroy the nation while a few hundred trans 'girls' are causing real problems for a few thousand natal girls. With over 300 million US citizens this is a very very small issue comparatively. I'm not discounting it, this is a real problem but it can be dealt with later and there won't be agreement so it will be messy. trump and Harris aren't focused on it and the poster who keeps blasting the thread about it is wrong re the US appetite to vote based on it alone.

I read something recently - but can’t find it again. - that the loss of women’s spaces IS a tiny issue, but that for 1% of voters it was the single issue they felt strongly about. And that, in some states, that 1% shift was important.

I’ll keep looking, but it was interesting.

lightandstars · 01/11/2024 20:50

Well obviously I don't know that he is a rapist or serial sex offender. It's a possibility but i don't blindly believe everything that is said about him

I think there were more than 25 SA accusations - some of them from minors. I believe E. Jean Carroll when she said he raped her. The jury awarded her 5 million for sexual assault and defamation. He is on record bragging about how "when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy." He was known to party with Jeffrey Epstein.

But if you don't care about women's rights in this regard, then perhaps it might bother you a tiny bit that he is a convicted felon with a mug shot.

Or that he incited insurrection.

Or that should he be re-elected it is entirely possible he may still be jailed for some of his other crimes.

EasternStandard · 01/11/2024 21:10

There was a brilliant piece the other day on considering the impact in various places around the world on who should win, plus NATO

The ME including Iran and Israel, South Korea and North Korea, maybe others but I only caught half, actually China and Russia now I remember

US troops in SK currently and how much it would impact them and how they feel.

Fascinating to hear. But also tension making

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/11/2024 21:14

lightandstars · 01/11/2024 20:50

Well obviously I don't know that he is a rapist or serial sex offender. It's a possibility but i don't blindly believe everything that is said about him

I think there were more than 25 SA accusations - some of them from minors. I believe E. Jean Carroll when she said he raped her. The jury awarded her 5 million for sexual assault and defamation. He is on record bragging about how "when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy." He was known to party with Jeffrey Epstein.

But if you don't care about women's rights in this regard, then perhaps it might bother you a tiny bit that he is a convicted felon with a mug shot.

Or that he incited insurrection.

Or that should he be re-elected it is entirely possible he may still be jailed for some of his other crimes.

Reason and facts don't come into it when people's desire to "Believe" is so great.

It can be observed in the many people who fall for internet Romance scams, conspiracy theories and cult members. Their feelings and believings are more important and real to them than reality itself.

I'm worried about the USA atm. I'm worried about what Trump will do if he wins and I'm worried about what Trump will do if he loses.

Deja321 · 01/11/2024 21:23

lightandstars · 01/11/2024 20:50

Well obviously I don't know that he is a rapist or serial sex offender. It's a possibility but i don't blindly believe everything that is said about him

I think there were more than 25 SA accusations - some of them from minors. I believe E. Jean Carroll when she said he raped her. The jury awarded her 5 million for sexual assault and defamation. He is on record bragging about how "when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy." He was known to party with Jeffrey Epstein.

But if you don't care about women's rights in this regard, then perhaps it might bother you a tiny bit that he is a convicted felon with a mug shot.

Or that he incited insurrection.

Or that should he be re-elected it is entirely possible he may still be jailed for some of his other crimes.

I do care about women's rights and safety.
I've seen footage of Trump years ago, before anything came out in the media, talking about Epstein saying something along the lines of how shady he was and about his parties. I wonder who else went to that island? Do you honestly believe the likes of Clinton, Obama and biden are good people?

The mug shot and felon thing I don't care about. I see that as the establishment trying to scare him into submission or lock him up so he cannot run for president again. Says more about them than him. And anyone that condones imprisonment of your opposition has no place calling trump a fascist or dictator.

Yes he's had allegations, are they true or were these people paid to lie? The lengths they've gone to to remove trump, nothing would surprise me. I also question people's integrity when it appears they are wanting financial pay out.
I've seen video footage of biden being very inappropriate with women and young girls yet the media or you dont mention it. Why is that ignored? Real footage, not rumour or unproven allegations. How can you watch those videos and not be disgusted?

Insurrection. It was a mostly peaceful protest due to belief that there had been voter fraud. 1 person killed that day, Ashley babbit unarmed Trump supporter. Media and Democrats labelled her domestic terrorist to justify the murder. Tells me everything I need to know about anyone that supports that killing.

Why did they say trump would start ww3? Why no new wars under trump? Look at before and after. Do you not care about war? I'm sure if new wars started while trump was president you would put the blame at his door.

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/11/2024 21:31

Deja321 · 01/11/2024 21:23

I do care about women's rights and safety.
I've seen footage of Trump years ago, before anything came out in the media, talking about Epstein saying something along the lines of how shady he was and about his parties. I wonder who else went to that island? Do you honestly believe the likes of Clinton, Obama and biden are good people?

The mug shot and felon thing I don't care about. I see that as the establishment trying to scare him into submission or lock him up so he cannot run for president again. Says more about them than him. And anyone that condones imprisonment of your opposition has no place calling trump a fascist or dictator.

Yes he's had allegations, are they true or were these people paid to lie? The lengths they've gone to to remove trump, nothing would surprise me. I also question people's integrity when it appears they are wanting financial pay out.
I've seen video footage of biden being very inappropriate with women and young girls yet the media or you dont mention it. Why is that ignored? Real footage, not rumour or unproven allegations. How can you watch those videos and not be disgusted?

Insurrection. It was a mostly peaceful protest due to belief that there had been voter fraud. 1 person killed that day, Ashley babbit unarmed Trump supporter. Media and Democrats labelled her domestic terrorist to justify the murder. Tells me everything I need to know about anyone that supports that killing.

Why did they say trump would start ww3? Why no new wars under trump? Look at before and after. Do you not care about war? I'm sure if new wars started while trump was president you would put the blame at his door.

Do you not remember Trump talking about what a "great guy" Epstein was and how he liked them very young @Deja321?

Deja321 · 01/11/2024 21:43

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/11/2024 21:31

Do you not remember Trump talking about what a "great guy" Epstein was and how he liked them very young @Deja321?

No. I've not seen that. I heard him say years ago something like he was a dodgy character and more recently that he was not a fan of his and that they'd had a falling out.
What about bidens behaviour? Is it acceptable? What about war? Do we want a president that will prevent wars or start them? Can we acknowledge good things people do even we've been told to hate them?

lightandstars · 01/11/2024 21:44

Insurrection. It was a mostly peaceful protest due to belief that there had been voter fraud.

Nothing says peaceful like erecting a hanging platform, smashing glass, and breaking doors open to go in search of Mike Pence.

I do care about women's rights and safety.

But you don't believe women or children who have accused him of serious sexual assault.

Deja321 · 01/11/2024 21:45

I can't read it, it's asking me to pay and I certainly wouldn't give the Washington Post my money. I'll try and find video footage.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 01/11/2024 21:50

HonoraBridge · 29/10/2024 18:54

Yes! 🎯

@Deja321

Do you actually believe your own posts? Are you just repeating lies from social media? Are you gullible?

www.reuters.com/article/world/fact-check-which-us-presidents-led-the-nation-into-new-wars-idUSKBN2A22QR/

Deja321 · 01/11/2024 21:51

lightandstars · 01/11/2024 21:44

Insurrection. It was a mostly peaceful protest due to belief that there had been voter fraud.

Nothing says peaceful like erecting a hanging platform, smashing glass, and breaking doors open to go in search of Mike Pence.

I do care about women's rights and safety.

But you don't believe women or children who have accused him of serious sexual assault.

It was mostly peaceful. Doors were opened for them. Was it acceptable to shoot dead an unarmed woman? Would it be acceptable to shoot unarmed far left protesters?

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