Why does everybody hate Trump?

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First off, please don't flame me, I genuinely am not up to scratch on US affairs/politicians in general - I only do brief research for our own UK elections, and even then I generally only decide by whoever promises to help the NHS and living costs most believably!

Can someone give me some examples on why he's so hated - or on the other hand, why some people love him so much?

And this is what he is endorsing

https://people.com/what-is-project-2025-inside-far-right-plan-trump-presidency-8622964

Yes, apart from the:

Misogyny
Racism
Mockery of the disabled
Incitement of mob violence
Blatant lies - All.The.Time.
Attempts to overthrow the election
Corrupt business practice
Tax avoidance
Adultery
General incompetence and lack of suitability for political and diplomatic life.....

Just why does everyone hate Trump?

Bill Clinton spent a lot of time with Epstein. His attitude towards China and Russia seems to be one of building bridges and cooperation rather than the confrontation and hostility the western political elite seem to adopt as a matter of course.
He's certainly a very flawed person, a bellend definitely. I think it's the fact that the political establishment hate him, have been caught out lying and spreading misinformation about him that makes him seem like a genuinely different candidate to the rest

I am not disputing Clinton spent time with Epstein but he is not a candidate! Knowing now what we do about him that may have changed things. But with trump that’s a tiny part of his awfulness rather than a main one!

And the “building bridges” is more about making deals that benefit him personal I rather than the country. Look at his Taiwan stance- wanting something from them (when America already gets a shit load from them just trump doesn’t seem to understand when it’s not cash in hand protection money)

And the media has failed in highlighting many of his problems to be honest and his absolute failure as a human- the corruption throughout his career and treating anyone he doesn’t see as of benefit to him as dirt. So much that comes out of his mouth is a lie that it’s hard to find truths. Politicians lie and it’s shit. But this is next level lying- like a toddler saying he didn’t steal the cookies with crumbs around his mouth

That's the situation in a couple of countries and a few US states. Lots had laws ready to go as soon as Roe v Wade fell.

It has cut down not just abortions but fertility treatment and a whole host of reproductive healthcare.

Ther eare now states that consider the destruction of a foetus murder. So if you are working in a fertility clinic and drop a petri dish you could face life in prison. In fact it isn't just a foetus, it applies to things like molar pregnancy.

There is a 12 year old rape victim now attempting to bring up a child.

Who walks around that shade of Orange.
How is a business man a president.
I think he's a joke
Today's so sad these people suck others to get then into "power".

If you're still interested then the BBC do a great podcast each week called Americast. I listen whilst cleaning 😀

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I'm thinking of starting a sister thread to this...
Why do people like Trump?

Because despite reading and watching a lot, I really don't understand. And millions of people do love him

Yes nobody has mentioned how he helped Kevin in Home Alone 2.
These left wing mumsnetters are just blind to Trump's caring nature.

He egged his supporters on to murder his Vice President (Mike Pence) because he refused to block the election result! They built a scaffold in the Capitol grounds!
But...but... but... Bill Clinton (rolls eyes).

Misogyny, racism, changing his opinion to get popularity, encouraging insurgency. He's actually a bit gullible in my opinion because he just wants to be popular and have power so listens to people who say I can make this happen if you say this or that incendiary remark!

I disliked him but refusing to criticise those who stormed the capital was the final straw

Ps he once was a democrat when he thought he could get voted for!

My Mum 88 …..Yorkshire born and bred….absolutely loves him….I found her on YouTube yesterday watching him do his speeches

Many of us do. Don't make the mistake of assuming a firm opinion hasn't been made following objective research.

And mumsnet isn't left wing.

I'm, broadly speaking, a leftish kind of person but I think the current most vocal parts of the left can be supremely annoying, intolerant and liable to label everyone a bigot or fascist for even questioning them, so Trump supporters feel like they are giving a much-deserved two fingers up to those kind of people and their policies.

The left also has a habit of airily waving away true concerns about crime, immigration, gender-identity, etc., and therefore cedes some of the most pressing issues to the craziest voices on the right.

So many reasons :-

• He has blood on his hands. He refused to accept the results of the American election and his supporters attacked the Capitol, resulting in the deaths of at least seven people. These Are the People Who Died in Connection With the Capitol Riot - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

• He has boasted about sexually abusing women.

• He's a racist and stokes up hate against immigrants.

• He makes promises he can't keep - making America great again, creating jobs for Americans etc.

• He's a total hypocrite. He has spoken about how his life was spared, "by the grace of Almighty God", but he doesn't appear to practice religion in his daily life.

• The position of POTUS requires intelligence, tact and diplomacy. He has demonstrated (time and time again) that he lacks all of these qualities.

I personally don't like Trump, all the bluster and self-aggrandisement but he is heading for the centre of American Politics now. I just listed these policies as to why he has grown in support and don't believe if he came to power it would be so disasterous for the West.

Abortion -he has stated will be left up to the states to decide policy. He said he will not be banning the morning after pill.

Illegal immegration- this has spiralled under Biden to 600,000 last year and this is an absolutely unprecedented number. It is especiallly unpopular with Black and Hispanic votors as they are more often in competition for jobs, health care and education and has even won Trump a lot of new potential voters from these communities. His promise to close the borders again is very popular.

Net -0. Trump believes that America does not want this because the wind alternatives are too expensive and unreliable.
America is self sufficient through fracking and becoming a net exporter of oil.

On shoring - manufacturing is being brought back to America and Mexico from China and also Trump wants to put tarriffs on Chinese goods giving a huge boost to working class jobs across America. IFor the first time that a Union leader spoke at a Republican convention. Vance the vice president grew up in poverty in Appalatia and wants to introduce Government support, that is State intervention of key industries. In fact his vision almost sounds like an earlier version of the Labour Party with a focus on working class.

Big tech- The large companies in Silicon Valley largely fund the Democrats and the Trump administration wants to break them up, believes they disrupt and destroy working class jobs and are too dominant.

You can see that this message must be very appealing to non-university educated workers in the US who have, like industrial Britain suffered decline due to Global trade. America is onshoring is shifting the power balance from Tech to Manufacture.

Because he behaves like a spoilt, boastful child. He tell pathetic lies about being the best at everything. Because he is a disgusting misogynist, because he is one big walking red flag of a man.

It's not about following US politics though is it? That's like saying you didn't study world war 2 and therefore haven't heard of the holocaust. This isn't about politics in Fiji or Outer Mongolia, this is a world superpower that affects us directly (rightly or wrongly depending on your views). What if Trump disengaged with Nato? He's been threatening to do so and that's really, really bad for Europe. I'm not suggesting you study US politics in the finest detail, such as vote counting, but if you think the wider issues (such as the next President) is irrelevant to your world you need broaden your current affairs interests.

@Golden407

the political establishment hate him, have been caught out lying and spreading misinformation about him

Could you give some examples? I'm a fairly avid consumer of news and have come across very little of this, but would be interested in seeing what's out there.

You've nailed it there. He appeals to people's darker side , their most vicious and selfish instincts. Thus making it seem normal to give expression to such feelings - even to celebrate them.

Could any politician in Europe have survived his grotesque mockery of the disabled man? Yet we can't be too smug - Farage and Johnson have gone to worship at his feet.

I mean, this is all garbage.

Not to mention, billionaires and Silicon Valley largely support the Trump ticket because he's promising massive tax cuts. And Vance is a Silicon Valley creation (look up Peter Thiel. He's the ultimate DEI hire.

People hate him cos he's a real man. Ruthless aggression.

I've just listened to this discussion between Sam Harris and Anne Applebaum on the current threat to democracy. It largely deals with Trump and Applebaum really articulates why he is so concerning.