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Anxious about trump presidency

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understatedeleganza · 16/07/2024 22:26

Is anyone else lying awake at night worrying about this?

I don't live in the states but I am really anxious about this. I'm anxious for everyone living over there yes very much so, but I'm anxious about the much greater possibility of world war, I'm anxious about all the cuts to funding for various international issues in particular climate change initiatives. We're already fucked on that front but if there's any hope for our children we need the power of the states. The Project 2025 list of targets is like something from a dystopian novel, it's really frightening.

I'm also very nervous that the way the new government will structure the legal system they will essentially create a dictatorship that will never be able to be dismantled - they have basically said they will try to do this and tried last time (but failed).

Can anyone talk me down. I can't see anything positive here.

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EasternStandard · 17/07/2024 19:10

Anxious? Idk there’s not much that is benefited by that. I don’t vote in the US and it’s up to their electorate

I get the wider implications but there’s not much you can do

Livelovebehappy · 17/07/2024 20:11

Emmanuelll · 17/07/2024 19:04

The "illegal immigration" cry is what racists hang their hats on now that it's taboo to be openly racist.

Yes!

But it isn’t taboo to now have concerns about illegal immigration. It used to be used as a way to shut down concerns on immigration, but thankfully that’s no longer the case, so people now feel able to discuss it without being labelled racist. I’ve certainly noticed more open discussion, which is good. Whilst Biden is allowing uncontrolled and illegal immigration, he hasn’t provided infrastructure to actually accommodate them, so that states bordering the passage are full,of people sleeping on the streets with nowhere to go, and associated crime. It really is like there’s no-one in charge, and the streets are lawless.

Linzi2377 · 17/07/2024 21:52

Biden presidency is a shit show..even the media and his own is turning on him

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understatedeleganza · 17/07/2024 22:45

It definitely is a shit show. But not in comparison to a Trump presidency, right?

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HumHubs · 17/07/2024 23:53

Livelovebehappy · 17/07/2024 20:11

But it isn’t taboo to now have concerns about illegal immigration. It used to be used as a way to shut down concerns on immigration, but thankfully that’s no longer the case, so people now feel able to discuss it without being labelled racist. I’ve certainly noticed more open discussion, which is good. Whilst Biden is allowing uncontrolled and illegal immigration, he hasn’t provided infrastructure to actually accommodate them, so that states bordering the passage are full,of people sleeping on the streets with nowhere to go, and associated crime. It really is like there’s no-one in charge, and the streets are lawless.

Trump & Republicans opposed a bill to control immigration because he wanted to play politics & scaremonger in an election year instead - https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill/

Unraveling Misinformation About Bipartisan Immigration Bill - FactCheck.org

Even before a bipartisan group of senators unveiled the text of a foreign aid and immigration overhaul bill on Feb. 4, it faced significant opposition from former President Donald Trump and other Republican leaders. We'll explain what was in the legisl...

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill

Molly70 · 18/07/2024 00:01

They opposed it because it still allows unlawful boarder crossings (2500 per day) rather than the unlimited boarder crossings under Biden

Livelovebehappy · 18/07/2024 01:04

understatedeleganza · 17/07/2024 22:45

It definitely is a shit show. But not in comparison to a Trump presidency, right?

It absolutely is. Currently there is no-one running the country fgs, Just people in the background pulling the strings and pushing him out now and again in front of an audience to take part in the odd debate or question time. It’s beyond disgraceful that a super power country like America is being run by an incompetent weak man, who can barely put a sentence together because they’ve drugged him up so much.

MessinaBloom · 18/07/2024 02:35

@AppleStrudel23

I think those are good things in this time when war is around the corner. I think ww3 is a lot worse for you and your children than trumps wacky climate change ideas. Trump managed to connect north and South Korea.. that is insane! Look for the positives. the time under trump was a lot better than under Biden, Biden wrecked that economy.

Trump managed to connect North and South Korea? I must have missed that incredible achievement. Do you have a source for that?

Hatfullofwillow · 18/07/2024 12:45

LifeExperience · 17/07/2024 18:37

Yes, he wanted to defend our borders with the military if necessary. I see nothing wrong in that, and tens of millions of America agree with me. The military wasn't there to shoot them, it was there to turn them back.

Developed countries are not helping the global south by acting as a relief valve so their dictators can get rid of undesirables. Not only do the young, healthy and motivated leave, worsening conditions so the ones left behind fall further into poverty, it allows dictators to deport threats to their power.

In the long run this is not good for any country, developed or not, and it is neither racism nor xenophobia to point that out.

No he didn't. He had to be talked down from sending troops to kill migrants. If the Republicans were concerned about immigration from any position other than using it to rile up their racist base they wouldn't have spent the last 4 years trying to block Biden's border policies.

Biggleslefae · 18/07/2024 13:29

I think this will end up with trump as puppet and Vance pulling the strings.

Aussieland · 18/07/2024 13:33

Livelovebehappy · 18/07/2024 01:04

It absolutely is. Currently there is no-one running the country fgs, Just people in the background pulling the strings and pushing him out now and again in front of an audience to take part in the odd debate or question time. It’s beyond disgraceful that a super power country like America is being run by an incompetent weak man, who can barely put a sentence together because they’ve drugged him up so much.

It’s going pretty well for no one running the country. Good employment. Economy going well. Good relations with the rest of the world.
Not sure where the idea he is drugged up has come from apart from trump btw. But I guess he doesn’t need evidence. Just accuses Biden of whatever trump is actually guilty of (election fraud, rape, corruption etc)

Swisscave · 18/07/2024 14:22

100% @Biggleslefae

He was railroaded into picking him as VP because of all the big donors pushing for Vance. Vance is an ideological nut job, Trump just goes where the winds blows. As long as it makes him popular he doesn’t care.
Vance has a set agenda and as time goes on Trump will struggle with Vance having so much power. He’s already been set up as the heir to MAGA legacy. Think there will be trouble ahead!

Swisscave · 18/07/2024 14:27

Trump has just been the ‘means to end’ for the Republican Party. Vance is the ‘end in itself’

Biggleslefae · 18/07/2024 17:21

Swisscave · 18/07/2024 14:22

100% @Biggleslefae

He was railroaded into picking him as VP because of all the big donors pushing for Vance. Vance is an ideological nut job, Trump just goes where the winds blows. As long as it makes him popular he doesn’t care.
Vance has a set agenda and as time goes on Trump will struggle with Vance having so much power. He’s already been set up as the heir to MAGA legacy. Think there will be trouble ahead!

Trump already firmly in 'useful idiot' territory then!

Biggleslefae · 18/07/2024 17:24

Swisscave · 18/07/2024 14:27

Trump has just been the ‘means to end’ for the Republican Party. Vance is the ‘end in itself’

But even Vance surely is beholden to the donors. They are the ones in charge, using the wealth they have hoarded to steer the US in whatever direction most benefits them.

Livelovebehappy · 18/07/2024 18:12

Aussieland · 18/07/2024 13:33

It’s going pretty well for no one running the country. Good employment. Economy going well. Good relations with the rest of the world.
Not sure where the idea he is drugged up has come from apart from trump btw. But I guess he doesn’t need evidence. Just accuses Biden of whatever trump is actually guilty of (election fraud, rape, corruption etc)

Clearly the majority of Americans don't agree things are going well. Trump is wiping the floor with the Democrats. It's going to be a landslide. If the picture is as brilliant as you paint, Biden would be looking at another four years. He isn't.

Aussieland · 18/07/2024 20:33

Livelovebehappy · 18/07/2024 18:12

Clearly the majority of Americans don't agree things are going well. Trump is wiping the floor with the Democrats. It's going to be a landslide. If the picture is as brilliant as you paint, Biden would be looking at another four years. He isn't.

It doesn’t seem like a proportion of the American people care about facts so they don’t “agree” with me because their opinions are more important to them than reality. And before the shooting it absolutely wasn’t going to be a landslide 😂

understatedeleganza · 18/07/2024 21:41

Trump / the republicans will try to distance themselves a little from things like project 25 before the election because they understand that things that are too extreme will turn off the swing voters. Mark my words once they're in power they'll suddenly remember they agree with all of it. It's hardly like they don't have form for all the issues on it

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Eyesopenwideawake · 18/07/2024 21:42

Livelovebehappy · 18/07/2024 18:12

Clearly the majority of Americans don't agree things are going well. Trump is wiping the floor with the Democrats. It's going to be a landslide. If the picture is as brilliant as you paint, Biden would be looking at another four years. He isn't.

There's 3% difference in the polling. Hardly "wiping the floor".

Livelovebehappy · 18/07/2024 21:51

Aussieland · 18/07/2024 20:33

It doesn’t seem like a proportion of the American people care about facts so they don’t “agree” with me because their opinions are more important to them than reality. And before the shooting it absolutely wasn’t going to be a landslide 😂

Clearly you weren’t following what was happening before the shooting? The more I read your comments, the more clear it seems you aren’t clued up on what’s been happening. Biden hasn’t been in the running for months. Bit patronising to Americans that you think you know better than them - they’re living it, not commenting on a forum. But hey, we just have to agree to disagree 🤷‍♀️

EsmaCannonball · 18/07/2024 22:08

It will be a victory for the kleptocracy. Trump is financed by some seriously dodgy people.

Tbh, the Democrats have helped create this situation: the obsession with identity politics over bread-and-butter issues; the prosecutions, which did nothing but galvanise support for Trump; the lack of will to put up a viable candidate against him.

I've not long watched a Democratic Party advisor on Channel 4 News state that it will look bad if they put up an alternative candidate to run against Kamala Harris in the event that Biden stands down because she will be the first woman of colour President of the USA. She's not going to be the first anything if she can't win. They need to start getting real. Find a winning candidate or Europe is fucked.

Aussieland · 18/07/2024 22:47

Livelovebehappy · 18/07/2024 21:51

Clearly you weren’t following what was happening before the shooting? The more I read your comments, the more clear it seems you aren’t clued up on what’s been happening. Biden hasn’t been in the running for months. Bit patronising to Americans that you think you know better than them - they’re living it, not commenting on a forum. But hey, we just have to agree to disagree 🤷‍♀️

Sure. The polls are made up 🤷‍♀️

BigDecisionWorthIt · 18/07/2024 23:40

Alexandra2001 · 17/07/2024 08:40

The project 2025 authors are very firmly embedded in the Republican party, true its not a manifesto but only a fool would discount Trump not enacting some of these ideas, he cannot stand for a 3rd term, so doesn't need to hold back this time around.

The withdrawal in Afghanistan was a Trump plan, i dont see how, once the decision to go ahead was made, anything could be different.... the Taliban were winning against the USA/Allies and we were all fed up with our soldiers dying for no reason.

Trump wants to negotiate a settlement in Ukraine where Russia gains land and Ukraine can never join NATO.... how do you think that might work out?

Trump may very well take the USA out of NATO, he will have the mandate to do so, many Americans do not see why Europe should have free healthcare etc etc whilst the USA does not and they pour billions into Europes defence, its not about 2%, which would still require the USA to underwrite our defence.

We in Europe need to be looking at defence spending going back to Cold War levels.

Didn't have a war whilst in office for just 4 years.... wow thats a pretty low bar isn't it?

The USA is going back to its often held "America (insular) First" stance, they'd never had joined WW2 had Japan not attacked & Europe/the RoW is going to be a very different place next year.

Agreed, can't discount it. But it would need to be heavily watered down to make it through Congress.

Without saying too much. The plan Trump had was vastly different from the events that occurred and how a Biden withdrawal panned out. It put a lot of coalition lives at risk because of how haphazard it was.

He can't take the US out of NATO without a two thirds senate super majority or a pass through Congress.
Even then it wouldn't be simple as there would then need to be discussions on who the new depository state would be before the US could even file the denunciation notice and massive draw-down from the super-camp that is Ramstein, currently the HQ of NATO AIRCOM.

Agreed, we need to be focusing on defence spending, something that both Lab and Cons have ignored and scraped us right down to the bone.

dottiehens · 19/07/2024 07:13

understatedeleganza · 16/07/2024 23:30

That is good advice but I don't even really watch the news. It's just everywhere I look and even if I don't read any more about it I still know if that makes sense. You're right, there's fuck all I can do about it so there's no point worrying. There's fuck all I can do about my children's future with climate change either but I can't help but worry about that too! 😭 I just have this horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach. These two men together are so dangerous.

I am sorry but I find you ridiculous. As someone said he was a president before. Worse things have happened around the world and in the US under Biden in the last four years. People are unhappy over in the US as Biden and Kamala only weapon is that they were not Trump. Now he will come back as a result of the incompetency of the Democrats. Not matter how anxious you feel.
If you really feel like that it may be something else going on and you need to be seen by a professional.

dottiehens · 19/07/2024 07:21

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/07/2024 17:47

Biden has allowed millions of unvetted immigrants into the country who are killing and raping American women and children in frightening numbers.

Source? (not Fox News).

Ask the families of the people killed by “tren de Aragua” It doesn’t even have to be about numbers but who are getting in.

Have they been deported? Ask the major of NYC