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Anxious about trump presidency

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understatedeleganza · 16/07/2024 22:26

Is anyone else lying awake at night worrying about this?

I don't live in the states but I am really anxious about this. I'm anxious for everyone living over there yes very much so, but I'm anxious about the much greater possibility of world war, I'm anxious about all the cuts to funding for various international issues in particular climate change initiatives. We're already fucked on that front but if there's any hope for our children we need the power of the states. The Project 2025 list of targets is like something from a dystopian novel, it's really frightening.

I'm also very nervous that the way the new government will structure the legal system they will essentially create a dictatorship that will never be able to be dismantled - they have basically said they will try to do this and tried last time (but failed).

Can anyone talk me down. I can't see anything positive here.

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WorriedMama12 · 17/07/2024 14:25

Wasn't he one of few presidents who didn't start or involve his country in a war?

Emmanuelll · 17/07/2024 14:36

WorriedMama12 · 17/07/2024 14:25

Wasn't he one of few presidents who didn't start or involve his country in a war?

🙄🙄🙄 that again.

He almost brought America to civil war and he caused the insurrection. So peaceful(!)

WorriedMama12 · 17/07/2024 14:51

Emmanuelll · 17/07/2024 14:36

🙄🙄🙄 that again.

He almost brought America to civil war and he caused the insurrection. So peaceful(!)

Did he involve the US in a war? Or am I mistaken?

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summershere99 · 17/07/2024 14:57

Livelovebehappy · 17/07/2024 00:16

He has been president before? And the world didn’t implode. And let’s be honest here, Biden is a far more dangerous proposition. He’s very weak, and clearly not capable of running a country like America. Other dangerous world leaders in countries such as China, North Korea, the Middle East and Russia must be laughing their arses off currently - they will see Biden’s weakness as a way to exploit any situation.

This is laughable. He's just been running the country for the last 4 years and it hasn't imploded.. and the hugely reduced level of toxicity in politics during the Biden presidency was a very welcome change to the chaos and division that Trump enjoyed igniting.

summershere99 · 17/07/2024 15:15

CrunchyCarrot · 17/07/2024 11:52

I'm not going to lie awake at night worrying about it, no, because what will be, will be. However what IS worrying is if he stops vaccine mandates for children in the US, because a lot of people will stop vaccinating their children and that will lead to the rise of serious illnesses and childhood deaths.

Not all States have vaccine mandates. Schools can ask for confirmation of vaccines but you can fill in a form and opt out for religious reasons. So there are plenty of kids already in the US who have not received their childhood immunisations. (I'm not an anti-vaxer by the way!)

GasPanic · 17/07/2024 15:32

summershere99 · 17/07/2024 15:15

Not all States have vaccine mandates. Schools can ask for confirmation of vaccines but you can fill in a form and opt out for religious reasons. So there are plenty of kids already in the US who have not received their childhood immunisations. (I'm not an anti-vaxer by the way!)

It's a bit more complicated than being vax or anti vax though.

Personally I would probably want my kids vaccinated. I also might want to choose which vaccinations they have and which they don't according to a level of perceived risk. But I am not sure that I would want to force my choices on other people.

Does that make me vax or anti vax or somewhere inbetween ?

Livelovebehappy · 17/07/2024 16:47

summershere99 · 17/07/2024 14:57

This is laughable. He's just been running the country for the last 4 years and it hasn't imploded.. and the hugely reduced level of toxicity in politics during the Biden presidency was a very welcome change to the chaos and division that Trump enjoyed igniting.

Tbh, it's been a 'hugely reduced level' of everything. The country hasnt been run by Biden - clearly there are puppet masters behind the scenes doing everything for him. Do you seriously think Biden is capable of another 4 years in office? If Trump gets in, the blame should lie at the door of the Democratic administration, who have been insisting Biden is fine, when clearly he isnt. How does the saying go? Democrats fiddle while America burns.

summershere99 · 17/07/2024 17:16

Livelovebehappy · 17/07/2024 16:47

Tbh, it's been a 'hugely reduced level' of everything. The country hasnt been run by Biden - clearly there are puppet masters behind the scenes doing everything for him. Do you seriously think Biden is capable of another 4 years in office? If Trump gets in, the blame should lie at the door of the Democratic administration, who have been insisting Biden is fine, when clearly he isnt. How does the saying go? Democrats fiddle while America burns.

Biden running for president again is a mistake for sure. I guess they think they will just continue an ineffective puppet presidency.. I don't know that that can be considered worse than what Trump is likely to do when in power, or what he wants to do.. Along with his truly awful VP. I do feel for moderate / liberal Americans, they are crying out for a more centrist party and nominee to give them some real choice - I would hate to be voting in their election. Both options are terrible.

comeondover · 17/07/2024 17:19

I've been wondering why, in amongst the discussion of Trump being too awful and Biden being too old, I've heard no reference to RFK Jr, who is after all a 3rd candidate.

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/07/2024 17:47

Biden has allowed millions of unvetted immigrants into the country who are killing and raping American women and children in frightening numbers.

Source? (not Fox News).

LifeExperience · 17/07/2024 17:50

understatedeleganza · 17/07/2024 00:08

This is the kind of reassurance I need.

But is it true? He's already managed to appoint Supreme Court justices who'll do whatever he wants. He's adjusted parts of the constitution already. He's a convinced felon but still able to be president. He has plans to adjust the laws further to protect him from any future repercussions for his behaviour...

You have been so propagandized by the media I hardly know where to begin.

Every President gets to appoint Supreme Court justices, and no, they don't always do what the President who nominated them wants. They have lifetime appointments precisely so they are not influenced by politicians.

Trump has not adjusted any part of the Constitution. Presidents do not have that power. The Constitution is extremely difficult to change:
westportlibrary.libguides.com/amendment

Trump is not a convicted felon. No one is a felon until sentencing has been completed, and, since Presidents have immunity, the point will likely become moot soon. BTW, you might not want Pres to be immune, but there were groups in the US ready to bring murder charges against Obama for droning two Americans, including a child, in Yemen, which is highly illegal under US law. The recent Supreme Court decision ended that attempt.

Yes, Trump will force an end to the war in Ukraine, as he should. Haven't enough people died? Ukraine was never going to win (I am a retired American military officer.) The only way Ukraine would have ever had a chance is for the US to go to war on their side, which is insane. Meanwhile, postponing the inevitable is only enriching the oligarchs and the US military-industrial complex.

"He has plans to adjust the law..." Trump tells you what he's thinking, does he?

LifeExperience · 17/07/2024 18:01

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/07/2024 17:47

Biden has allowed millions of unvetted immigrants into the country who are killing and raping American women and children in frightening numbers.

Source? (not Fox News).

https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/illegal-migrants-charged-with-murder-of-child-were-recently-released-into-us-venezuelan-jocelyn-nungaray-houston-texas-foul-play-strangulation-cause-of-death-homicide-murder-investigation-crimes-autopsy

https://nypost.com/2024/06/16/us-news/rachel-morin-murder-suspect-is-alleged-migrant-serial-predator/
newspaper midmichigannow.com/news/nation-world/illegal-immigrant-who-raped-13-year-old-girl-handed-5-year-prison-sentence-a-honduran-man-who-illegally-entered-the-us-and-raped-a-13-year-old-girl-in-virginia-has-received-a-five-year-federal-prison-sentence-according-to-court-documents

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2024/may/16/illegal-immigrant-used-rape-dungeon-on-wheels-to-a/

https://www.yahoo.com/news/illegal-accused-raping-ny-teen-142537971.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADBF5_6_9hdrJpKBDtB-fuhXP776RiIM9swNTZvVGFMaQKAElTYnsDXfXz-Mm-MCX2oOpT9geInzowxo802b38cfSfvdMmFN-DNxMTOj3hdz2KoKGUSJgsw4BoVRj3c0jibtGlELKK84vWFZIjsygACKh1AeVqHuDkb-nuwM_Por

https://abcnews.go.com/US/laken-riley-murder-suspect-plea-arraignment/story?id=110715582#:~:text=Jose%20Ibarra%2C%2026%2C%20was%20charged,malice%20murder%20and%20felony%20murder.&text=Jose%20Ibarra%20is%20charged%20with,the%20University%20of%20Georgia%20campus.

That was a quick Google. These are all separate, recent events. Central and South American countries opened their jails and transported the inmates to the border. THIS is why women are voting for Trump. Biden let in 10 million unvetted illegal migrants from all over the world in 3 1/2 years. Biden doesn't give a SHIT about women.

Illegal migrants accused of killing 12-year-old girl were recently released into US: ICE

Two men arrested in connection to the murder and of a Texas girl who was found strangled to death in a creek are migrants who entered the U.S. illegally.

https://cbsaustin.com/news/nation-world/illegal-migrants-charged-with-murder-of-child-were-recently-released-into-us-venezuelan-jocelyn-nungaray-houston-texas-foul-play-strangulation-cause-of-death-homicide-murder-investigation-crimes-autopsy

LifeExperience · 17/07/2024 18:07

Evenstar · 17/07/2024 09:49

@understatedeleganza this has reassured me a little, just seen on Twitter

It will never happen. The Pres can propose anything he wants, but the length of term of Supreme Court justices is in the Constitution, so he will only need 2/3 of Congress and the people in 3/4 of the US states to agree to change it. Will never happen.

This is election year posturing for the ill-informed masses.

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/07/2024 18:12

@LifeExperience thanks.

How many US citizens have killed or raped American women and children in the same time period?

LifeExperience · 17/07/2024 18:14

MessinaBloom · 17/07/2024 06:34

@BigDecisionWorthIt

For OP: Project 2025 is a think tank written by the Heritage Foundation. Yes it was done by notable Republican members but it is not a manifesto and is not an official document outlining what Trump plans to do.

Project 2025 is a Presidential transition plan, and many of his former staffers developed it. An associated plan, Agenda 47 (available on Trump's website I think) is very similar but more action-based. 2025 is the roadmap, 47 is the slightly more detailed instructions on how to get there.

Many of his former staffers needed jobs after he lost the election, and Heritage was hiring. Just like Obama staffers who went to the Center for American Progress or the Center for Media and Democracy. It's what young staffers do when their guy loses and they need to eat.

Trump has disavowed Project 2025 and his platform is on his website. There are people on the right who are upset that Trump isn't endorsing Project 2025, but he is not because it is too extreme.

Swisscave · 17/07/2024 18:18

Russia simply doesn’t have the numbers to keep this war going. It’s a long game and Russia can’t win.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/15/putin-is-leading-russia-into-a-demographic-catastrophe/

Trump doesn’t bother me. He is a man of zero principles and really just moves whatever way the winds blows. He at one point stated he was closer to identifying as democrat. He was always a celeb and loved mixing with the stars (who invariably vote dems). The Clintons were at his wedding and then his daughter, Ivankas wedding. If the democrats ever had any interest in him, he would be running on their ticket. No question. He just loves attention, doesn’t care who gives it to him. This is why I always think the left should stop freaking out and actively seek to work with him, they might be surprised by what they can achieve.

It’s the VP Vance that’s concerning. He’s ideological and has turned to religion in his later years. This has formed some of his extreme views. I notice a few of the elite millennial republicans have been converting in recent years and in turn their stance on gay marriage, abortion etc are becoming more staunch. There will be zero chance of the left gaining any ground with this guy.

Putin is leading Russia into a demographic catastrophe

‘Moscow can always find more men’, one hears people say, justifying Western inaction. It is simply not true

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/07/15/putin-is-leading-russia-into-a-demographic-catastrophe

LifeExperience · 17/07/2024 18:26

Eyesopenwideawake · 17/07/2024 18:12

@LifeExperience thanks.

How many US citizens have killed or raped American women and children in the same time period?

Just because it sometimes happens otherwise doesn't mean it's ok that Biden, against US law, allowed unvetted murderers, rapists, human traffickers, drug traffickers and all forms of human detritis into the country to do their worst.

Crime has shot up so high in the US that Biden's FBI changed how they collected crime statistics to hide the problem.

https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-crime-data-violence-biden-trump-1911383

From the article: In a statement provided to Newsweek, the FBI said: "Participation in the FBI's Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program is voluntary. The accuracy of the statistics released by the FBI's UCR Program is based on data contributors' participation and adherence to national standards."
"Some of this data may not be comparable to previous years because of differing levels of participation over time," the statement added.

The FBI under Biden also changed the criteria for reporting, so if a felony is pled down to a misdemeanor, it is no longer counted.

crime scene tape

FBI stats show plunge in violent crime, but there's a catch

New data shows a significant decrease in homicides and other violent crimes in the first quarter. Is it accurate?

https://www.newsweek.com/fbi-crime-data-violence-biden-trump-1911383

LifeExperience · 17/07/2024 18:28

comeondover · 17/07/2024 17:19

I've been wondering why, in amongst the discussion of Trump being too awful and Biden being too old, I've heard no reference to RFK Jr, who is after all a 3rd candidate.

RFK, Jr. has no chance to win, so he's a non-factor.

Swisscave · 17/07/2024 18:31

Rfk won’t win, but in swing states with the undecided and those who want something other than toxic bipartisan politics- he has the ability to take away votes from both Biden and trump. It’s this ability that could affect the results.

This is why Trump called RFK and ask led him to join them the other day.

LifeExperience · 17/07/2024 18:37

Hatfullofwillow · 17/07/2024 02:27

Trump wanted to set the army on them, not vett them.

Yes, he wanted to defend our borders with the military if necessary. I see nothing wrong in that, and tens of millions of America agree with me. The military wasn't there to shoot them, it was there to turn them back.

Developed countries are not helping the global south by acting as a relief valve so their dictators can get rid of undesirables. Not only do the young, healthy and motivated leave, worsening conditions so the ones left behind fall further into poverty, it allows dictators to deport threats to their power.

In the long run this is not good for any country, developed or not, and it is neither racism nor xenophobia to point that out.

LifeExperience · 17/07/2024 18:39

Swisscave · 17/07/2024 18:31

Rfk won’t win, but in swing states with the undecided and those who want something other than toxic bipartisan politics- he has the ability to take away votes from both Biden and trump. It’s this ability that could affect the results.

This is why Trump called RFK and ask led him to join them the other day.

Yes, showing that Trump for all his many faults, is a lot smarter than whoever is running Biden right now.

XChrome · 17/07/2024 18:46

AppleStrudel23 · 17/07/2024 08:56

@XChrome not wanting to allow in floods of illegal immigrants into a country isn't racist.
It has nothing to do with race but everything to do with the fact that they are illegal and undocumented and then the US has to take care of them. If all the immigrants coming into the US were white what insults could you throw at people who didn't like it? Leave race out of it ands let's actually talk about the real issue not your straw man

The "illegal immigration" cry is what racists hang their hats on now that it's taboo to be openly racist.
Being concerned about it is one thing. Trumpers, otoh, are obsessed with it. When they say things like that other person I was responding did (that the people coming in are a threat to women and children) of course it's racism. The rate of violence is actually lower that it is for native born Americans.
The fact that they accept, without questioning, the Trump influenced notion that these people are inherently dangerous is evidence that they are racists. No way would they believe that about white people coming through the northern border.

"Studies overwhelmingly find no evidence that U.S. immigrants, including those who are undocumented, commit more crimes than native-born Americans. And now a study published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences USA that draws from a detailed and well-sourced data set comes to an even more dramatic conclusion. It reports that between 2012 and 2018, compared with their U.S.-born neighbors, undocumented immigrants in Texas were less than half as likely to be arrested for violent crimes or drug offenses and less than a quarter as likely to be arrested for property crimes."

www.scientificamerican.com/article/undocumented-immigrants-are-half-as-likely-to-be-arrested-for-violent-crimes-as-u-s-born-citizens/

It's not an insult to say that a flagrantly racist comment such as the one I responded to reflects racism. It's just reality.

XChrome · 17/07/2024 18:49

Aussieland · 17/07/2024 08:58

So you only want the president to be able to rape women? And have been strongly implicated in condoning the rape of children? Ok that’s clear then.

Trump was also accused of raping a 13 year old at one of Epstein's parties. That lawsuit disappeared, indicating he paid her off.

Swisscave · 17/07/2024 18:51

It’s nothing to do with crime or anything else. A sovereign country has the right to secure its own borders. And there are many people around the world that have to follow strict visa criteria to enter the US. You can’t have two tier system where some can just cross a border and others pay thousands and follow strict criteria. For a system to work it must be fair for all.

Emmanuelll · 17/07/2024 19:04

The "illegal immigration" cry is what racists hang their hats on now that it's taboo to be openly racist.

Yes!

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